A political question

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

This is true although not so simple. Conservatives want to lead people to help themselves. In Florida we have Hope Florida which directs people in need to charities that can help them. Today they have helped over 30,000 people get off the Florida welfare system and it's only been around for a few years. 

Cutting people off of welfare is NOT the same as helping people. 

I can't understand how the same people which think tariffs raise prices but think taking money away from the rich people who own the companies won't result in higher prices. Same with forcing them to pay much higher wages.

Raising wages will result in very minor price increases as has been demonstrated by the very small difference in price between a Big Mac in states with a high minimum wage and states with a low minimum wage. 

There is absolutely no reason to believe that raising income tax, capital gains tax, corporate taxes, or estate taxes will raise prices.  There is a ton of evidence that giving $100 to a poor person will result in a multiple of times more economic activity than giving it to a wealthy person. 

Republicans have no issue with understanding tariffs will raise price on imported items we just think it will improve everything else. Buy American and there is no concern for tariffs.

Targeted tariffs can be used as tool.  But tariffs on coffee will not result in a domestic coffee production. 

But keeping with the same theme the tariffs are predicated on the idea that the people of Lesotho and Cambodia have been unfairly victimizing the USA.   

[Spider-Dan]

So we should be against taxes on rich people - taxes which fund services for our society - because those rich people might raise some prices, in an attempt to increase profits and try get that money back.  In this case, higher prices are bad.

However, we should be in favor of tariffs that directly raise prices, For Reasons.  In this case, higher prices are great!

Why would I want to pay higher prices on clothing while living in a country with 4% unemployment?  We shouldn't want low-paying textile manufacturing jobs back in America; we should just want the cheap clothes they produce.

The idea of "bringing jobs back to America" holds very little promise when the people who claim to want this are the same people fighting against raising minimum wage, fighting against overtime compensation law, fighting against unions, fighting against workplace safety regulations.  They want a return to factory workers toiling 60 hours a week for pennies.

[CF DolFan]

I'm a DeSantis Republican. I believe we should cuts taxes on residents, give raises to police and teachers, and yet still lower budgets each year as he has done. There is so much wasted money by government today.

I saw a women who moved here (Florida) from California. She said she just renewed her auto in the Sate of florida and it cost her $48 and it blew her away. She said the same car in California cost her over $700 to renew. There is absolutely no reason for that kind of discrepancy.

[Fau Teixeira]

i renewed my registration in CT, (a high tax state) i think it was 100 for 2 years, I'd take that claim with a bit of skepticism

[Spider-Dan]

I saw a women who moved here (Florida) from California. She said she just renewed her auto in the Sate of florida and it cost her $48 and it blew her away. She said the same car in California cost her over $700 to renew. There is absolutely no reason for that kind of discrepancy.

When I visited Orlando a couple of years ago, it blew me away that you get charged a toll to drive on normal public roads.  I've never seen that in California.

All "tax savings" is a) more taxation for someone else or b) fewer services for the people.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

While I am not familiar with the specifics of the states mentioned, I do know that some states use a regressive tax method of taxing all cars the exact same amount regardless of the value of the car other states tax based on the value of the car

So in state A both a 1997 Escort and a 2025 Lamborghini both pay $50 and in State B the Escort only pats $10 and the Lamborghini pays $700.

Which tax system is fairer is a value judgement, but I prefer state B.  Iirc that system is used in NY at the state level.  In MA there is flat per car rate that goes to the state and a value based tax that goes to town/city.

[Phishfan]

When I visited Orlando a couple of years ago, it blew me away that you get charged a toll to drive on normal public roads.  I've never seen that in California.

All "tax savings" is a) more taxation for someone else or b) fewer services for the people.

Interesting. I've lived in WV, VA & FL and all have toll roads as normal public roads. I seem to remember it in MD also.i wonder if it's an East versus West thing?

[Fau Teixeira]

no tolls in CT, tons of tolls in NJ, NY, MA, a couple in RI, none in VT, some in PA

Orlando is a horrible example tho, everything there is tolled, it's a nightmare to go from oviedo to disney if you don't want to pay extra

[CF DolFan]

Cutting people off of welfare is NOT the same as helping people.    

Nope. Got them help and has saved over 100 million doing so. They has a long line of people giving testimony the other day about how they went from having next to nothing to now doing well in the new program. Big Gov doesn't have to do everything for people if the people are motivated to do something.  

When I visited Orlando a couple of years ago, it blew me away that you get charged a toll to drive on normal public roads.  I've never seen that in California.

All "tax savings" is a) more taxation for someone else or b) fewer services for the people.

Fewer unnecessary services for people ... yes, I agree.

It's kind of funny because LA traffic is notorious the worst in the country  so its not a good thing. Orlando has toll roads around both sides and through the middle which makes life bearable for the people who live here. It also collects money from out of state people like yourselves.  No one is forced to use toll roads so I'm not really sure of the issue. You pay much more to park at Disney or Universal.

We also have a toll road (Turnpike) from Wildwood to Miami which allows me to be at the stadium in just under 3 hours. If I went I-95 it would take me over 4 hours to get there. I'll gladly pay some tolls for that convenience rather than pay thousands more in taxes.

Our gas is also about $2 less than California as well as other items being cheaper for no other reason than additional taxes. If you are ok with that then fine but most people tend to want to spend as little for necessities as possible.

[Spider-Dan]

Traffic is worse in California because more people want to live here than any other state.  You're a capitalist, so you should know what that means.

I know residents of less desirable states like Florida are really proud of the fact that recently FL has had more people moving there and CA has had more people leaving.  If that same trend continues for another twenty years then maybe you'll be in the position to talk about FL being the most desirable state to live in!

Until then, I am happy to compare whether CA's or FL's style of governance is more popular.

[Phishfan]

Let's not discount that California also is over twice the size of Florida in land. Just pointing that out.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Let's not discount that California also is over twice the size of Florida in land. Just pointing that out.

If we are going to use population density as the measure of how desirable a state is then DC blows all 50 states out of the water.  Among actual states NJ is the most desirable state to live in.

[Spider-Dan]

Let's not discount that California also is over twice the size of Florida in land. Just pointing that out.

California has far more uninhabited (or barely inhabited) land than Florida, so it's a wash.

[CF DolFan]

Ummm ... that isn't uncommon. Most of middle Florida is pretty lean too outside of the Orlando area.  The major portion of population is up and down the coasts of Florida but the middle of the state is mostly farms or uninhabited land.

[Spider-Dan]

The population of greater LA + the Bay Area is more than the entire state of Florida, so I'm not sure why we're talking about state sizes in the first place.