The NFL Draft begins Thursday night

[Downunder Dolphan]

Well that's a little unfair as they already had their franchise QB for a number of those years and weren't really drafting QB's to replace him. I'll give you that the 20 years before Tua were misses.

Tua made precisely one Pro Bowl when we gave him the fat contract.

Jackson was league MVP when he deservedly got his big paycheck from the Ravens. The point is, he earned it, they knew exactly what they were getting because he had consistently hit an elite standard. Tua was and is nowhere near that level.

We've talked about this issue to death and don't really need to do it again in this thread about the draft.

[Spider-Dan]

Well that's a little unfair as they already had their franchise QB for a number of those years and weren't really drafting QB's to replace him.

There are plenty of QBs originally drafted as projects/backups that went on to the Pro Bowl, for their original team or after leaving to be a starter elsewhere:  Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy

[Pappy13]

There are plenty of QBs originally drafted as projects/backups that went on to the Pro Bowl, for their original team or after leaving to be a starter elsewhere:  Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy

And there were a hell of a lot more that didn't.

[Spider-Dan]

The point is that over the past 40 years, Miami has only drafted and developed one QB that can even meet the modest bar of "making the Pro Bowl."  The idea of throwing him in the trash to go digging back in the draft seems like the absolute epitome of resuming a failed strategy.

[Pappy13]

The point is that over the past 40 years, Miami has only drafted and developed one QB that can even meet the modest bar of "making the Pro Bowl."  The idea of throwing him in the trash to go digging back in the draft seems like the absolute epitome of resuming a failed strategy.

Didn't Tannehill make the Pro Bowl? Granted it wasn't with the Dolphins but you mentioned guys that made the pro bowl after leaving their original team so I think that counts. Tua's maybe not quite in the rarified air that you think he is. If you move the bar up a notch to winning a playoff game well the jury is still out on that one.

[Spider-Dan]

The fact the defense was mediocre wasn't the fault of Wilkens or AVG. Those guys were balling out and didn't get enough credit.

Again, players like Wake or X on mediocre defenses were REALLY balling out and earned big deals.  AVG had five years in Miami to show he could play and didn't do much, and while Wilkins was... great for morale I guess, he did not set himself apart among his peers in the league.  He was a good player, but not a game-changer that you move heaven and earth to keep.

Both Wilkins and Hunt are examples of solid players that you nevertheless let go and look to replace in free agency or the draft.  And you can tell this because the teams that signed them to those huge deals are absolute bottom-feeders who have to do something with their cap space.

Didn't Tannehill make the Pro Bowl? Granted it wasn't with the Dolphins but you mentioned guys that made the pro bowl after leaving their original team so I think that counts.

I don't count Tannehill because, unlike Schaub or Cousins, he was not a player that another team wanted as a starter.  Tannehill was considered a bust coming off the Dolphins and TEN resurrected him.  Miami gets no credit for that.

[Pappy13]

Back to the draft...

Sorry, I get a little carried away sometimes. No offense intended.

[Spider-Dan]

So in other words when you put some qualifiers on what does and doesn't count then Tua stands out. If you don't well...it's not quite so clear then.

You're the one that added the qualifier of "Well Miami didn't draft a good backup under Marino because they had a starter" in the first place.  It's entirely possible to draft good backups (or develop project QBs) when you have an entrenched starter; the Dolphins have just been shitty at it.

We can remove every qualifier and simply say, "Made the Pro Bowl as a Miami Dolphin," which eliminates all but 3 QBs in the history of the franchise.  The Dolphins have been terrible at drafting and developing QBs, so going back to the draft for another franchise QB should be avoided as long as possible.

[Downunder Dolphan]

Back to the draft...

We didn't move back into the third round, and the predicted run on CB finally happened.

Zah Frazier seems an intriguing prospect at 6-3 if he's still there.  Other than that, it's getting really hard to be excited at what's left.

I guess that's natural when we're going into day three and our next picks are 116, 143, 150, 155, 224, 231, 253.

[Sunstroke]

And the 49ers start round 4 by drafting...another D-lineman. At this rate, SF is going to start an 8-man defensive font, and Brock is going to snap it to himself.

Great googily moogily...

[Pappy13]

Anyone getting the feeling that maybe Mel Kiper Jr has kinda lost touch with player evaluation? To see Sanders at the top of his best available since essentially the start of the draft is starting to make me wonder just how in touch he really is with things. Maybe the game has passed him by a bit?

[Pappy13]

Back to the draft...

We didn't move back into the third round, and the predicted run on CB finally happened.

Zah Frazier seems an intriguing prospect at 6-3 if he's still there.  Other than that, it's getting really hard to be excited at what's left.

I guess that's natural when we're going into day three and our next picks are 116, 143, 150, 155, 224, 231, 253.

I don't think they are going to pick a CB until they know for sure what's going to happen with Ramsey. Just because they said they would entertain the idea of a trade doesn't mean it's going to happen, they still have to find a trade partner and Miami isn't going to just give him away for nothing. Ramsey didn't exactly have a stellar year this year and him basically saying that he wants to play for a winner isn't going to really facilitate things in my humble opinion. I'm certain that Miami is ready to move on, but they can't start doing that until it actually happens. There are going to be some free agent CB's after the draft, nothing is forcing them into picking one now.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Anyone getting the feeling that maybe Mel Kiper Jr has kinda lost touch with player evaluation? To see Sanders at the top of his best available since essentially the start of the draft is starting to make me wonder just how in touch he really is with things. Maybe the game has passed him by a bit?

I have never been impressed Mel Kiper.  I am pretty sure if you compared his predictions of which players were going to be successful vs NFL teams he would rank 33.  There is a reason no team has ever asked him to switch from broadcasting to scouting

[masterfins]

I hate to say it, but if Sanders is still available for Miami's 5th round pick I think they should take him.

[masterfins]

I hate to say it, but if Sanders is still available for Miami's 5th round pick I think they should take him.

Miami has three 5th round picks, 1 down 2 more to go.

EDIT:

Welp the Browns took him right after us.