Is there an explanation for this miracle

[Spider-Dan]

I still think you guys are confusing  "knowing" with "creating" them to be this way.

That's not "confusion"; it's simple, unavoidable logic.  God has the ability to create any version of Eve he wants, and he chose to create the one that would eat the apple fruit.  You seem to think God is somehow picking a "random" version of Eve, but there is no such thing as "random" to an omniscient being; out of all possible versions, God specifically and intentionally selected the one we got.

It’s tempting to assume that things would be “better” if Satan had never been created or to declare that God should have done differently. But such assumptions and declarations are unwise. In fact, to claim we know better than God how to run the universe is to fall into the devil’s own sin of promoting himself above the Most High (Isaiah 14:13–14).

To say this is just to say that we have the reality the Most High intended us to have.  Who are you, a fallible human, to say your proper place is not spending eternity in hell?  If trillions of souls were created with a predestiny of eternal torture, well, it's just not our place to second-guess the Holy Creator.

There's a "women" joke about Eve that says she had everything. A beautiful world, all she could eat, live forever with a strong relationships with the creator, etc. and yet it still wasn't enough.

Again, to the extent Eve was flawed, God intentionally gave her those flaws.

[Spider-Dan]

I am not a religious man but I think a person needs to research anything they want to argue against. The forbidden fruit is never identified in the Bible. It may be an apple or it could have been several other things.

This kind of nitpicking over semantics is pretty silly when the Bible wasn't even originally written in English and we're talking about translations.  For example, the first woman's name was not "Eve"; that's simply an English translation of her name.

[Denver2]

When I saw the title, I thought it was a reference to the guy who walked out of the Air India crash.

This is pretty insignificant in comparison.

Man now that is truly a miracle. Is there any info on how?

[CF DolFan]

That's not "confusion"; it's simple, unavoidable logic.  God has the ability to create any version of Eve he wants, and he chose to create the one that would eat the apple fruit.  You seem to think God is somehow picking a "random" version of Eve, but there is no such thing as "random" to an omniscient being; out of all possible versions, God specifically and intentionally selected the one we got.
To say this is just to say that we have the reality the Most High intended us to have.  Who are you, a fallible human, to say your proper place is not spending eternity in hell?  If trillions of souls were created with a predestiny of eternal torture, well, it's just not our place to second-guess the Holy Creator.
Again, to the extent Eve was flawed, God intentionally gave her those flaws.

He gave her the ability to have those flaws when he gave her free will. She chose to do that. If she didn't have free will she would have been a robot and only did what she was created for. The "choice" is free will. Your choice is not to believe and be your own god. God didn't create you not to believe in Him. He created an opportunity for love. It's not the same no matter how many times you say it.

[Dave Gray]

I have never understood something:

How can God know what you're going to do before you do it (which means that the decision is pre-ordained) but then also say that you have free will?  Aren't those two ideas at odds with each other?

[Phishfan]

Exactly. If God already knows the outcome then the person never had a choice,  just the illusion of having a choice.

[Dave Gray]

Exactly. If God already knows the outcome then the person never had a choice,  just the illusion of having a choice.

Which is kinda true of brain chemistry.  If our brains are organic computers, a "choice" is just output based on whatever input is coming in.  So, maybe free will, in general, is an illusion.  Could you ever have made a choice that you didn't make?

[Fau Teixeira]

Exactly. If God already knows the outcome then the person never had a choice,  just the illusion of having a choice.

The religious minded will never accept this. The ramifications lead to extremes that they don't want to consider and disproves their religious theory altogether.

If god is all knowing and all powerful then by using logic, god cannot be benevolent. In order to be all good, god has to either not be all knowing, in which case he's just guessing at outcomes, or he cannot be all powerful in which case the limited powers he has are his best attempt at being good.

Because if god is all powerful and all knowing, then he's a mass murdering pedophile and i'm not on board with that being any sort of good.

Of course, the more likely scenario is that god is made up by humans in order to dangle a carrot and use a stick to keep populations in line.

[Denver2]

I have never understood something:

How can God know what you're going to do before you do it (which means that the decision is pre-ordained) but then also say that you have free will?  Aren't those two ideas at odds with each other?

Predestination would be the only theology that makes any sense if God is truly all knowing and all powerful.

[Spider-Dan]

Your decision-making process - your personality - defines how you make choices.  That personality is assigned to you by God.

People like CF seem to believe that God is "randomly" giving out personalities, instead of intentionally selecting them for each person.  But that's impossible; nothing can be "random" to an omniscient creator.  Out of the infinite spectrum of personalities, you have precisely the one God selected for you, and you make your choices based on it.

Again, God could have created a murderous Eve, or an obedient Eve, or a lazy Eve that would never have gotten up in the first place, and all of them would equally possess "free will." God specifically chose to give Eve a curious, rebellious personality, with the full knowledge of what would result.

[CF DolFan]

LOL ... honestly ... it's not a difficult concept. I may know my kids are going to do stuff that is wrong but it doesn't mean I caused it. It's their free choice to disobey me. No difference here. Creation to have free will is knowing some will make wrong choices. You cannot have love without the choice to love. Some will choose love and others won't.

[Fau Teixeira]

you aren't an omniscient creator

[pondwater]

Well technically, if God knows everything that's going to happen, he already knows if I'm going to heaven or hell. Correct? If that's the case, then my free will and decisions don't matter at all. Because if where I go when I die is already predetermined, it's a moot point. If God knows that someone is going to hell, then what's the point of trying to go to heaven?

You would be amazed at the amount of Christians I know that preach God, Bible, and Jesus, when in reality their life is lie, cheat, steal, and maniupulate. In my experience, in general, the majority of Christians use their religion as an image and self esteem booster to cover up for their shame and fragile ego.

[Spider-Dan]

Ultimately, God's decision to create Satan makes the free will question even less important.  There's no reason Satan needed to exist, which leaves Christian apologists in the position of "Who are we to question the Most Holy?" And once you've fallen back to that bunker, all bets are off.

So what if humans don't actually have free will and trillions were created just to be sentenced to hell?  It's not our place to question God's plan.

[CF DolFan]

Well technically, if God knows everything that's going to happen, he already knows if I'm going to heaven or hell. Correct? If that's the case, then my free will and decisions don't matter at all. Because if where I go when I die is already predetermined, it's a moot point. If God knows that someone is going to hell, then what's the point of trying to go to heaven?

You would be amazed at the amount of Christians I know that preach God, Bible, and Jesus, when in reality their life is lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate. In my experience, in general, the majority of Christians use their religion as an image and self esteem booster to cover up for their shame and fragile ego.

Not only will many people in church will go to hell but many pastors, priests etc. will join them. Many people go through the motions without ever surrendering to Christ.

Matthew 7:Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

With that said many people who live very dark lives end up getting saved so it's hard not to be available for everyone. Kat Von D and Russell Brand are two I bet most people would have thought lost causes. God doesn't share who is and isn't a lost cause.