The Epstein List

[Dave Gray]

I am not a conspiracy theorist.  With a gun to my head, I think that the likeliest situation is that Epstein did, in fact, kill himself AND that there is no bullet-proof list of pedos that someone is holding back.

I think that it is very likely that there are tons of people in and around this, some of which are probably directly guilty, some guilty by association, and some that are just rich people hanging out with other rich people and aren't involved in anything illegal with children.  There's also other people that are probably doing things that are scummy and embarrassing to their image, but not illegal, like sex parties while they're married.

And it's probably not easy, or impossible to tell which people are which, so you can't, in good conscience, just release any name associated with Epstein.

AAAAAAAND, I'm sure that a lot of the people that would be named (and some of which have nothing to do with this) are wealthy and powerful and would open up all kinds of problems, both legally and ethically, as well as politically.  And Trump is one of those people, let's be honest.

But...

I am not the one bringing this up.  It's this administration, and they have to answer for it.

Elon Musk is Trump's closest advisor for the first part of his presidency and he essentially called him a pedophile and stated the fact that Trump was in these documents.  That didn't come from Trump opposition, but one of his allies, as a whistleblower, essentially.  So, Musk might be lying, but that needs to be addressed.

And Pam Bondi claimed that she had the list on her desk, and now all of a sudden there's no list.  There may have never been a list.  There may have been a list and it's now gone.  But whatever the case, she was either lying then or lying now, but that has to be accounted for.  These are people making official statements directly from Trump's cabinet.

And on top of all this, Trump ran on this issue and transparency behind it.  He directly said that he would release all this info and now he's not only refusing that, but threatening on the reporting of it.


I wouldn't be one bit surprised if there's a legitimacy to why you can't just dump the files, but the discrepancy and the constantly changing story is owed an explanation, because as is, this is starting to look sketchy as hell.   Politically, this is what happens when you get in bed with conspiracy theorists and give them the red meat -- they're gonna want to eat it at some point.

[CF DolFan]

It's a cover up. I think we knew people on both sides were guilty a long time ago. Not sure what but something happened and now Trump seems desperate for us to forget about it.

Anyone find it odd that when Elon called out Trump the Democrats jumped on it to have the list released but now are silent when it's obviously being covered up? I mean, Pam said she had the list on her desk for review and it was disgusting but now is saying it never existed. How come Elon wasn't sued for the Trump allegation and now Steve Bannon?

There tons of servers, files, and hard evidence collected to prosecute two people who have no customers or victims? Prince Andrew paid out millions to keep a woman from telling her Epstein secrets just for the kindness of his heart?

It's painfully obvious Trump went into coverup mode but not really sure why? Maybe we will find out the truth in 50 years or so. This does not sit well with many of us who have voted 3 times for Donald Trump.

[Phishfan]

I never bought into the existence of a list. Bonding is a perpetual liar just like Trump. The only good part to any of it is seeing these nuts act surprised.

[Spider-Dan]

It's painfully obvious Trump went into coverup mode but not really sure why?

no one can figure out why Trump is trying to suppress information about Epstein's clients

This does not sit well with many of us who have voted 3 times for Donald Trump.

Seems like Trump supporters are happy to just blame Pam Bondi, or Kash Patel, or Dan Bongino, or literally anyone except their beloved emperor.

[CF DolFan]

Nope. Maybe Trump suck ups but most of us hold him accountable as they didn't do anything he doesn't know about. In fact, it's pretty apparent he directed them with his panicked outburst the other day. When people like Marjorie Taylor Green, Glenn Beck, Tucker Carlson and even nutball Alex Jones calls him out you know its bad.

Alan Dershowitz came out yesterday and said that not only has he has seen the names but knows why they are being suppressed. He can't release any names because he is under gag order but he said he fully supports releasing everything because some who have been accused are actually innocent and others going unknown are very guilty. He himself was accused and it's how he gained access to the Epstein files to prove his innocence. 

It will be interesting to see if Elon gets unalived because he seems like he is intent on exposing things. Hopefully not but I have no idea how much security he has.

[Dave Gray]

Someone said it online, but I'm just going to parrot their words.

He said that he doubts that there is an Epstein list to release, but that means that all these people lied and exploited the rape of children -- and either needs to be answered for.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Someone said it online, but I'm just going to parrot their words.

He said that he doubts that there is an Epstein list to release, but that means that all these people lied and exploited the rape of children -- and either needs to be answered for.

Either they lied before or they are lying now.  Either way Bondi needs to be disbarred. 

[CF DolFan]

If they were lying then shouldn't Maxwell be released from prison? Not sure how she facilitated child sex without having clients.

I saw a Tucker Carlson clip and I kind of agree which is funny because we haven't agreed on much in a while now. He said that they have shut down the Epstein thing with no effort to try and hide it. This is basically a shout out to the insiders that they've got their backs no matter what. 

[Dave Gray]

If they were lying then shouldn't Maxwell be released from prison? Not sure how she facilitated child sex without having clients.

Facilitating circumstances where people could pedo on trafficked girls might not be the same as having a client list, like Santa Claus.  It might be unprovable or like he had lavish parties and those things were available....I just don't know.

[CF DolFan]

Reports are swirling big time on MAGA sites that Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi have had a huge falling out regarding the Epstein files. They are saying he walked out and is threatening to resign.

[Spider-Dan]

Nope. Maybe Trump suck ups but most of us hold him accountable

By definition, no "3 time Trump voter" has ever done anything to hold him accountable.

[Dave Gray]

Trump's latest "truth" about the list being created by Hillary and Obama and thus being unfit for release is new levels of thinking his supporters are stupid.  And for once, I don't think it's gonna work.

They drummed up this bullshit, put crazy people out of their depth in positions of power, and now can't placate them with "nothing to see here; move along".

This is completely of their own making.

[Spider-Dan]

Dave, I think you're overestimating his base.

Even now, their "criticism" is couched in the terms of "Glorious Leader, please address this issue created by one of your corrupt and incompetent underlings."  Any person who blames Pam Bondi is carrying water for Trump, full stop.  The cossacks work for the czar.

At most, Trump will release a smaller list "redacted for National Security Reasons" that contains only people Trump considers enemies.  Under no circumstances will Donald Trump release an "Epstein List" that contains his own name, despite the ample evidence of his affinity with Epstein.

[Sunstroke]

When I heard this, I laughed my ass off...until I realized that the moronic right will probably eat that shit up like doggy treats.

[Spider-Dan]

I think Kash Patel and Dan Bongino have figured out the perfect way to make sure they stay on the MAGA grifter gravy train: you put the word out there that you "threatened to resign" if the list isn't released.  If you get fired for disloyalty, then it's just "I said I would resign if they didn't do [x] so they fired me."  And if nothing changes, well, you threatened to resign so obviously you Did Everything You Could.