A Study in Team Culture

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It's really simple.  It's ok to clown around when you're a winning team.  Not when you're a losing one.   Clowning around is fun and should be earned by wins on the football field.   I know plenty of instances where coaches have seen guys clowning around after losses and either punished them severely or booted them from the team on the spot.

Paul "Bear" Bryant- That's what happens when you get married!!  All your football is running straight out of the end of your dick!!

Amos Alonzo Stagg- Since your head isn't in the game, let's put your body in it and hope your head catches up.  Give me three stadiums... NOW!!!

Bob Knight- If losing means so little to you, maybe you're not fit to play on this team!!! (He said that to Coach K)

NEWS FLASH:  The video was from after a WIN! If the Dolphin's celebrated after a loss like that I would agree it would be clownish behavior. 

[Sibster]

NEWS FLASH:  The video was from after a WIN! If the Dolphin's celebrated after a loss like that I would agree it would be clownish behavior. 

They need to act like winning isn't something new to them.   They are still performing below standards.

[CF DolFan]

I just watched a video of Quinn Ewers, Ollie Gordon, and a couple of others playing football in their lockeroom (practice facility) against a Christmas Tree. The horror ..... when will the clowning around stop? hahaha

[Dolfanalyst]

NEWS FLASH:  The video was from after a WIN! If the Dolphin's celebrated after a loss like that I would agree it would be clownish behavior. 

Nobody clowns around after a loss.  The point is that when you're clowning around after a win that makes you a very poor 3-7 overall, there's a problem with the team's culture.  Until the team gets its season turned around, wins should be experienced with seriousness and humility.

Again I have no problem with this from this past Sunday after the win in New York:

https://www.tiktok.com/@miamidolphins/video/7581325320234470687

The team there is still just 6-7 -- still not good overall.  The response to that win, in the context of still being a poor 6-7 overall, is on-target.  The locker room after the Bills win at 3-7 should've looked far more like that, instead of the circus that went on in the video in the original post.

[Spider-Dan]

It's really simple.  It's ok to clown around when you're a winning team.  Not when you're a losing one.

This is exactly correct.  However, it is not the point being made in this thread.

The point being made by the OP is that the Dolphins' losses are caused by correlated to Mike McDaniel's status as "a clown"; a status that is somehow completely independent from all the documented clowning from other coaches with better records, who have been declared "not clowns."

[Dolfanalyst]

This is exactly correct.  However, it is not the point being made in this thread.

The point being made by the OP is that the Dolphins' losses are caused by correlated to Mike McDaniel's status as "a clown"; a status that is somehow completely independent from all the documented clowning from other coaches with better records, who have been declared "not clowns."

No that isn't the point being made.  But you've already clearly demonstrated repeatedly you either can't grasp it or refuse to.

[Spider-Dan]

The point is that when you're clowning around after a win that makes you a very poor 3-7 overall, there's a problem with the team's culture. [...]

The locker room after the Bills win at 3-7 should've looked far more like that, instead of the circus that went on in the video in the original post.

And once again you admit that your actual problem is with the team's record: teams with good records can clown around all they like without it being a "culture problem."

I called this 3 pages ago:

So it turns out "culture" is just "your W-L record" after all!

Your defense for criticizing Team A but not Team B when they both act silly is that... Team B has a better record!

[Dolfanalyst]

And once again you admit that your actual problem is with the team's record: teams with good records can clown all they like without it being a "culture problem."

If the team had responded to becoming 3-7 with the appropriate seriousness and humility, this wouldn't be a thread.

And so no, the problem isn't "the team's record."  It's how they responded to a win in the context of that record, which again is an indication of a poor culture and which is the problem noted here, time and time again.

Again, are you capable of understanding another human being, or do you just like talking to yourself?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Nobody clowns around after a loss.  The point is that when you're clowning around after a win that makes you a very poor 3-7 overall, there's a problem with the team's culture.  Until the team gets its season turned around, wins should be experienced with seriousness and humility.

Again I have no problem with this from this past Sunday after the win in New York:

https://www.tiktok.com/@miamidolphins/video/7581325320234470687

The team there is still just 6-7 -- still not good overall.  The response to that win, in the context of still being a poor 6-7 overall, is on-target.  The locker room after the Bills win at 3-7 should've looked far more like that, instead of the circus that went on in the video in the original post.

You have that completely backwards.  You celebrate more when you upset a team that is leading the division and was a preseason favorite to go deep into the playoffs and quite possibly be the superbowl winner than you do when you beat a team is contention for the first overall pick for next years draft. 

[Dolfanalyst]

You have that completely backwards.  You celebrate more when you upset a team that is leading the division and was a preseason favorite to go deep into the playoffs and quite possibly be the superbowl winner than you do when you beat a team is contention for the first overall pick for next years draft. 

Again, the Steelers here had just won a road playoff game as a wildcard underdog, on their way to winning the Super Bowl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpOG9K02F_g

Why no circus?  Shouldn't they have been wheeling each other around in laundry carts and breakdancing like the Dolphins did when they were a mere 3-7 and going nowhere?  Wasn't their win an even greater cause for a massive celebration and even more buffoonery?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Again, the Steelers here had just won a road playoff game as a wildcard underdog, on their way to winning the Super Bowl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpOG9K02F_g

Why no circus?  Shouldn't they have been wheeling each other around in laundry carts and breakdancing like the Dolphins did when they were a mere 3-7 and going nowhere?  Wasn't their win an even greater cause for a massive celebration and even more buffoonery?

I am not claiming the Steelers did anything wrong. 

[Dolfanalyst]

I am not claiming the Steelers did anything wrong. 

Right, and neither am I.  What I'm claiming is that they were an example of doing it right, and the Dolphins at 3-7 were an example of doing it wrong.  The Steelers merely provide a contrast that illustrates the point.

[Spider-Dan]

If the team had responded to becoming 3-7 with the appropriate seriousness and humility, this wouldn't be a thread.

So yes, it's about their record.

We know this because when other teams with better records have responded with clownish celebrations, you have nothing to say!  If you had a shred of intellectual consistency (or even some self-awareness), you would have thrown out your normal "Vrabel's Patriots haven't proven themselves to be a team with sustained success" handwaving; the same dismissal you made of the 2023 Dolphins after the fact.  That would at least be sticking to your guns.  But you can't even manage that!  When teams with good records clown around after victories, you simply say "But they weren't 3-7" and move on.

In short: clowning around after a win is fine - it's not an indictment of the team's culture, nor does it brand your head coach "a clown" - as long as you have a good record.  Which means the key factor is not the clowning, it's the record.

[Dolfanalyst]

So yes, it's about their record.

No, it isn't.

If the team had responded to becoming 3-7 with the appropriate seriousness and humility, this wouldn't be a thread.

If we simply boldface a different part of what you quoted, it completely changes the focus and the interpretation.

But again, we know at this point you're focused in on only what you want to interpret, in your own way.  You're not understanding another person here -- you're merely talking to yourself.

[Spider-Dan]

If we simply boldface a different part of what you quoted, it completely changes the focus and the interpretation.

Other teams with better records have responded with even less seriousness and humility than Miami and you have no criticism to offer them.
Because the "appropriate" level of seriousness and humility is determined ENTIRELY by... their record!