Should Tua stay or should he go?

[Spider-Dan]

Tanking actually works in the NBA; you can build a dynasty around winning one draft lottery.
Tanking does not work in the NFL.

[CF DolFan]

Tanking doesn't work.

I don't understand how people who spent a solid year screaming to Tank For Tua are still insisting that losing a bunch of games is going to solve the problem.

I'm not screaming it. I was just pointing out I believe the number one pick next year will be a franchise player. The Raiders will get one this year. It's been since Marino since we had one so no one knows how it would work out. I will say this ... it was more fun to lose in the playoffs scoring points than to be middle of the road where we have been for like 25 years.

With that said if our GM can't draft better than Grier it won't matter either way and our franchise QB would be asking to get out like Joe Burrow is in Cincy. Omar said today Grier has like a 30% retention rate on players drafted staying on the team and the best teams are grading out over 50%.

[Spider-Dan]

I'm not screaming it. I was just pointing out I believe the number one pick next year will be a franchise player. The Raiders will get one this year.

DET thought that going winless and drafting Matt Stafford would solve their problems.
CLE thought that winning 1 game in two years and getting Baker Mayfield would solve their problems.
ARI thought that drafting Kyler Murray would solve their problems.
NYJ thought that drafting Sam Darnold would solve their problems.

Meanwhile:
KC drafted Mahomes after a winning season.
BUF drafted Allen after a winning season.
BAL drafted Lamar after a winning season.
LAR traded for Stafford.
SEA signed Darnold in free agency.

Tanking.  Doesn't.  Work.

[CF DolFan]

I'm not supporting tanking. We've been there, done that, and imploded. I'm just saying "if" we got the first pick we would likely get our franchise QB and we haven't been in that position for 25 years. What else happens after that would depend on the GM and that is the same even if we finish 8-9.

[Spider-Dan]

What would be different today if Miami had drafted Trevor Lawrence?  Serious question.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Tanking is purposefully losing for a better draft pick.  Miami should NOT do that. 

Prioritizing getting out of the cap space hole you are in even if that means not signing a single FA for more than the salary minimum, is not tanking.   

[CF DolFan]

What would be different today if Miami had drafted Trevor Lawrence?  Serious question.

Impossible to answer. Lawrence was drafted by Urban Meyer which was a horrible start. He now has a good coach now and flourished last year with his best season leading Jacksonville to 13-4 and a Division Championship. He was even in both the MVP and Comeback Player of the Year Awards conversation.  Who knows what Mike could have done with him? Trevor doesn't have any of Tua's limitations in his game. He has the physical attributes that Tua never had. He can run for a first down, throw the deep ball without hanging it up in the air all day, and can also perform a QB sneak.

[CF DolFan]

Tanking is purposefully losing for a better draft pick.  Miami should NOT do that. 

Prioritizing getting out of the cap space hole you are in even if that means not signing a single FA for more than the salary minimum, is not tanking.   

That's how I would play it. I'm not sure if its tanking or not.  This season is handicapped by what Grier has done. I wouldn't reach for any player I can't afford and accept whatever results we are dealt.

[Spider-Dan]

Lawrence was drafted by Urban Meyer which was a horrible start. He now has a good coach now and flourished last year with his best season leading Jacksonville to 13-4 and a Division Championship.

Lawrence also had a Super Bowl-winning head coach in the interim, and went 20-25 over those three years.

I feel like when people talk about Trevor Lawrence or Justin Herbert it's like the old days of Jeff George, where people are enamored with this amazing arm and physical talents despite ample evidence that this dude is a loser.  It is baffling that some QBs are held accountable for their records and others mysteriously are not.

[Garrett]

    I'm in the minority... I think Tua is one of the better QB's in the league.  2 years ago, the Dolphins had the number 1 pass offense in the league.  Tua was the main factor in that.  Yes , he had great receivers, but every good offense does. I know he had a bad year for sure. And I couldn't tell you why? But he was in the MVP conversation for most of that year. So he can obviously play at an elite level. I hope they somehow keep him, but it doesn't look like they will.

[Spider-Dan]

It's clear that Tua has worn out his welcome in Miami.

Will he go on to do better at a later stop, like what happened to Drew Brees, Ryan Tannehill, Baker Mayfield, or Sam Darnold?  We'll see.

[Dave Gray]

And I couldn't tell you why?

He had several brain injuries.
His offensive weapons and protection probably degraded a bit.
The league figured him out a bit.


I think it's a combo of these factors, plus maybe some amount of yips, not to mention that he can't/doesn't scramble anymore.