Now this is what I'm talking about.

[Sibster]

Community note: Steve Young was drafted by Tampa and then traded a couple of years later after the Bucs drafted Vinny Testaverde.

Because Steve Young pulled a John Elway/Eli Manning stunt and opted to play in the USFL.

[Fau Teixeira]

Community note: Steve Young was drafted by Tampa and then traded a couple of years later after the Bucs drafted Vinny Testaverde.

damn, you're right, i always forget creamsicle steve young

[CF DolFan]

damn, you're right, i always forget creamsicle steve young

Hahahaha .... I only remember because of the excitement everyone had for Vinny. Unfortunately that never panned out for them either.

[Sibster]

Hahahaha .... I only remember because of the excitement everyone had for Vinny. Unfortunately that never panned out for them either.

The Bucs have a history of first round QBs not panning out.   It says a lot when Tom Brady happens to hold all their franchise records.

[CF DolFan]

Yep ... it's no coincidence that the good teams time and time again have people who are pretty good at making picks. Tampa has been lucky to skate by with a great defense and Brad Johnson, as well an elder Tom Brady.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

 It says a lot when Tom Brady happens to hold all their franchise records.

Tom is a pretty good QB, he holds all the franchise records in NE in well, in fact he holds almost all post season NFL records and a fair amount of regular season ones as well,

[Spider-Dan]

When a fortysomething player who played three seasons in your uniform holds every QB record in your franchise history, that is just sad.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Actually Jameis Winston holds most of Tampa's QB franchise records, I don't think Tom holds any of note. 

[Downunder Dolphan]

The Bucs have a history of first round QBs not panning out.   It says a lot when Tom Brady happens to hold all their franchise records.

Tampa actually drafted some pretty notable QBs over years... who all did better elsewhere.

I still think Doug Williams is criminally underrated: he seriously did the hard yards as much as any NFL QB with no real support (apart from the GM who recruited him). He paid the price physically as well as all the racial shit that was still being thrown around at the time. He managed to do the impossible while he was there: he somehow made them relevant against all the odds when they were fully bred habitual losers struggling to win a game, then they were in the playoffs, one game off the Superbowl. Then when they tried to cheap-skate him and he left, they promptly went back to the bottom. He already proved he was worth more than that, and that was etched in stone after a Superbowl MVP performance.

[Sibster]

Tampa actually drafted some pretty notable QBs over years... who all did better elsewhere.

I still think Doug Williams is criminally underrated: he seriously did the hard yards as much as any NFL QB with no real support (apart from the GM who recruited him). He paid the price physically as well as all the racial shit that was still being thrown around at the time. He managed to do the impossible while he was there: he somehow made them relevant against all the odds when they were fully bred habitual losers struggling to win a game, then they were in the playoffs, one game off the Superbowl. Then when they tried to cheap-skate him and he left, they promptly went back to the bottom. He already proved he was worth more than that, and that was etched in stone after a Superbowl MVP performance.

I agree completely with your assessment of Doug Williams.   Amazing player who didn't get the accolades he was due... from more than one team as the Redskins pretty much jettisoned him after that Super Bowl MVP performance.

I remember being in 11th grade at the time, and my English teacher that year was black and really big into black history and black literature.  It was around the time of MLK's birthday and she was having us read all these stories from black authors (Langston Hughes, Richard Wright, Maya Angelou, Dick Gregory), and the day after that Super Bowl, she had written on her chalkboard "Doug Williams #1" as I came into class.   She made it a point to mention to the class that times are changing and now a black QB can not only win a Super Bowl but break all sorts of records while doing it.  

A real eye opener.