Another step towards Fascism

[CF DolFan]

I don't give one iota of shit about this issue, personally, but you gotta understand that this statement is treating opinion as fact.

There are great debates about religion and what constitutes Christianity.  It most likely should be up to the individual sects to decide what applies, rather than ...you.

Not really. We have 13 letters from Paul that discerned church matters. 9 were sent directly to churches  and 4 were sent to his replacements (Timothy and Titus) towards the end of his life. Many of those churches were doing the same things they are doing today during the first century. Many who called themselves Apostles taught contrary to the Disciples. Paul called them out and corrected them just like he did Peter when he had bowed to pressure. Paul corrected the church by emphasizing that Christ ... not human leaders, pedigree, or personal wisdom .... is the absolute center. He corrected their disunity by defining the church as the unified body of Christ, where every member is valuable, but strongly condemned the idea that Christ's redeeming work required any human works or adherence to the Law. The Apostles Peter and John, as well as Jesus' brothers James and Jude also wrote some letters that we have copies of. None contradict each other.

Now we do have different denominations because people can't agree on how to baptize, how to celebrate the Lord's Supper, predestination, and other silly things but nothing that contradicts what is clearly taught as doctrine.

[Sunstroke]

Any time the Bible is referenced, it is a work of fiction. You may as well quote a Stephen King book.

Any time you (or anyone else) says "It's God's Will." It's actually "your" will, and yours alone, unless you convince others of your delusion, and then you band together and form a church (cult).


Can I get an amen?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

And ICE murders another. 

[Sibster]

And ICE murders another. 

Just like with Renee Nicole Good... If you drive your car towards a law enforcement officer in a threatening manner, you are going to get shot.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Just like with Renee Nicole Good... If you drive your car towards a law enforcement officer in a threatening manner, you are going to get shot.

If any of these ICE agents actually feared for their lives than they don't belong in law enforcement.  (And most ICE agents wouldn't pass the requirements of to attend a police academy)

The best way to stop a car is to shoot the tire not the driver. 

[Sibster]

If any of these ICE agents actually feared for their lives than they don't belong in law enforcement.  (And most ICE agents wouldn't pass the requirements of to attend a police academy)

The best way to stop a car is to shoot the tire not the driver. 

So you basically aren't holding the driver accountable for attempting to injure or maim a law enforcement officer.   The problem is, people act like they are entitled and that their rights make them untouchable.  That's clearly not the case.   If you're detained, you're detained and you need to let the investigation play out.   If you're told to leave by law enforcement, leave without making a scene.

Here's a perfect example of what I'm describing.   This girl, at worst, would've gotten busted for shoplifting and likely gotten no jail time.   Instead, she fired the cop's gun and ended up getting 40 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7289ADXg8ns&t=267s

[Spider-Dan]

In a development that surprises no one, the same people who insist the 2nd Amendment exists specifically to enable violent armed rebellion against the government are now saying the appropriate way to interact with law enforcement is COMPLY OR DIE: every offense is a capital offense.

[Sibster]

In a development that surprises no one, the same people who insist the 2nd Amendment exists specifically to enable violent armed rebellion against the government are now saying the appropriate way to interact with law enforcement is COMPLY OR DIE: every offense is a capital offense.

The second amendment exists so that if the government becomes tyrannical and attempts to remove our first amendment rights/declaration of independence rights, citizens can defend themselves

[Spider-Dan]

That is exactly what I just said: violent armed rebellion against the government, whenever YOU think it's "justified."

But this is in obvious conflict with your other comply or die position... not that I think you sincerely believe in such talk (it's just an excuse for the killing of people you don't consider worthwhile).  Because if you did sincerely believe in that, then you should also believe that all the Jan 6ers pardoned by Trump should have been killed at the Capitol.

[Sibster]

That is exactly what I just said: violent armed rebellion against the government, whenever YOU think it's "justified."

But this is in obvious conflict with your other comply or die position... not that I think you sincerely believe in such talk (it's just an excuse for the killing of people you don't consider worthwhile).  Because if you did sincerely believe in that, then you should also believe that all the Jan 6ers pardoned by Trump should have been killed at the Capitol.

Again, you're assuming shit about someone you don't know at all.  It's not about "comply or die".  It's about doing something to make the officer think you're threatening their life.  Refusing to comply and ending up being taken in for obstruction/resisting arrest is stupid but it's way better than being shot to death because you drove your vehicle at an officer in a threatening manner and made them think their life was in danger.

[Spider-Dan]

They aren't even claiming that the "officer was in jeopardy" in Maine.
DHS is claiming they shot him because the officer was "fearing for public safety."

comply or die

[Sibster]

They aren't even claiming that the "officer was in jeopardy" in Maine.
DHS is claiming they shot him because the officer was "fearing for public safety."

comply or die

I wasn't referring to Maine.   I'm talking about Texas.   The guy literally rammed his vehicle into an ICE vehicle with ICE officers inside it.

[Spider-Dan]

Hoodie's post was after ICE killed a man in Maine, and (apparently without looking into what he was talking about?) your immediate reflex was to defend yet another ICE homicide:

Just like with Renee Nicole Good... If you drive your car towards a law enforcement officer in a threatening manner, you are going to get shot.

But let's not beat around the bush.  Are you condemning ICE for executing a legal resident in Maine?

[Sibster]

Hoodie's post was after ICE killed a man in Maine, and (apparently without looking into what he was talking about?) your immediate reflex was to defend yet another ICE homicide:

But let's not beat around the bush.  Are you condemning ICE for executing a legal resident in Maine?

I was unaware of the situation in Maine and thought he was referring to Texas.   

I'm a reasonable guy and I gotta say, the Maine incident was messed up for two reasons:

1.  The guy who was shot wasn't the guy they were looking for.

2.   He was speeding away in his vehicle and not driving at anyone.   If police officers wanted to detain him, they should've pursued him and either tried to pit him or roll spikes out on the road to shred his tires, not shoot at him.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I wasn't referring to Maine.   I'm talking about Texas.   The guy literally rammed his vehicle into an ICE vehicle with ICE officers inside it.

Not according to all of the witnesses other than the ICE agents. 

No photos of a damaged ICE vehicle pair with a crushed front end.

Of course, we could know the truth if the ICE agents used the taxpayer purchased body cams.