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« on: February 09, 2006, 10:00:00 pm »

Does Iranian President Mahmoud's Ahmadinejad's intend to use nuclear weapons to bring about the end of the world?

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FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Iran leader's messianic end-times mission
Ahmadinejad raises concerns with mystical visions

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Posted: January 6, 2006
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Iranian President Mahmoud's Ahmadinejad's mystical pre-occupation with the coming of a Shiite Islamic messiah figure – the Mahdi – is raising concerns that a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic could trigger the kind of global conflagration he envisions will set the stage for the end of the world.

While Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been making headlines lately by questioning whether the Holocaust actually happened, by suggesting Israel should be moved to Europe and by demanding the Jewish state be wiped off the face of the earth, his apocalyptic religious zealotry has received less attention.

In a videotaped meeting with Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli in Tehran, Ahmadinejad discussed candidly a strange, paranormal experience he had while addressing the United Nations in New York last September.

He recounts how he found himself bathed in light throughout the speech. But this wasn't the light directed at the podium by the U.N. and television cameras. It was, he said, a light from heaven.

According to a transcript of his comments, obtained and translated by Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, Ahmadinejad wasn't the only one who noticed the unearthly light. One of his aides brought it to his attention.

The Iranian president recalled being told about it by one of his delegation: "When you began with the words ‘in the name of Allah,' I saw a light coming, surrounding you and protecting you to the end."

Ahmadinejad agreed that he sensed the same thing.

"On the last day when I was speaking, one of our group told me that when I started to say 'Bismillah Muhammad,' he saw a green light come from around me, and I was placed inside this aura," he says. "I felt it myself. I felt that the atmosphere suddenly changed, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, all the leaders of the world did not blink. When I say they didn't move an eyelid, I'm not exaggerating. They were looking as if a hand was holding them there, and had just opened their eyes – Alhamdulillah!"

Ahmadinejad's "vision" at the U.N. is strangely reminiscent and alarmingly similar to statements he has made about his personal role in ushering in the return of the Shiite Muslim messiah.

He sees his main mission, as he recounted in a Nov. 16 speech in Tehran, as to "pave the path for the glorious reappearance of Imam Mahdi, may Allah hasten his reappearance."

According to Shiites, the 12th imam disappeared as a child in the year 941. When he returns, they believe, he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world.

Ahmadinejad is urging Iranians to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning the country into a mighty and advanced Islamic society and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.

All Iran is buzzing about the Mahdi, the 12th imam and the role Iran and Ahmadinejad are playing in his anticipated return. There's a new messiah hotline. There are news agencies especially devoted to the latest developments.

"People are anxious to know when and how will He rise; what they must do to receive this worldwide salvation," says Ali Lari, a cleric at the Bright Future Institute in Iran's religious center of Qom. "The timing is not clear, but the conditions are more specific," he adds. "There is a saying: 'When the students are ready, the teacher will come.'"

For his part, Ahmadinejad is living up to at least part of his call to the faithful. According to reports, he lives so modestly that declared assets include only a 30-year-old car, an even older house and an empty bank account.

Ahmadinejad and others in Iran are deadly serious about the imminent return of the 12th imam, who will prompt a global battle between good and evil (with striking parallels to biblical accounts of "Armageddon").

An institute set up in 2004 for the study and dissemination of information about the Mahdi now has a staff of 160 and influence in the schools and children's magazines.

In Iran, theologians say endtimes beliefs appeal to one-fifth of the population. And the Jamkaran mosque east of Qom, 60 miles south of Tehran, is where the link between devotees and the Mahdi is closest.

Ahmadinejad's cabinet has given $17 million to Jamkaran.

Shiite writings describe events surrounding the return of the Mahdi in apocalyptic terms. In one scenario, the forces of evil would come from Syria and Iraq and clash with forces of good from Iran. The battle would commence at Kufa – the Iraqi town near the holy city of Najaf.

Even more controversial is Ahmadinejad's repeated invocation of Imam Mahdi, known as "the Savior of Times." According to Shiite tradition, Imam Mahdi will appear on Judgment Day to herald a truly just government.

Missed by some observers in Ahmadinejad's speech at the U.N. was his call to the "mighty Lord" to hasten the emergence of "the promised one," the one who "will fill this world with justice and peace."
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2006, 10:52:00 pm »

Well if the world ends, ain't nothing I can do about it.  See you on the other side.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2006, 12:03:16 am »

Here I was thinking Richard Simmons was the anti-Christ.  "C'mon people - let's go!  10,000 leg lifts and take it left, and right, and left, and right!"
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Interesting read, actually.  I'm with Jtex.  Strap on, ladies - could be a bumpy landing.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2006, 12:23:08 am »

Let's assume for a minute that this whacko does want to create a nuclear arsenal and launch it in hopes it will cause the end of days...

Do "we" launch a pre-emptive strike.... or is that exactly what he wants?   Could it be the pre-emptive strike that causes the apocalypse?

Is the apocalypse even a bad thing?  We'd finally get the answer to which religion is right.... or if none are.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2006, 12:37:04 am »

Here's the thing.  Somewhere on every single one of you is a "best if used by" expiration date.  Maybe you'll live to be elderly, perhaps you'll lose your life in a tragic bass fishing trip in North Dakota.  Maybe Miami will lose 3-0 in Super Bowl 41 after missing sixteen field goal attempts of 15 yards or closer and your head simply explodes.

Or maybe we'll be the generation that is around for the apocalypse.  When you think of it, it beats turning 90 and sitting in a home where no one comes to see you...except the nurse to change your diaper because you lost control of your own bowels 13 years earlier.

We're all going to go someday.  Funny thing about mother Earth is that one way or another she'll find a way to cleanse herself of the things on this planet that hurt her.  Someday we'll go the route of the dino and that will be that.

So - until that time - smile a little more, put some extra sugar in your coffee and don't worry about shaving every day.

Salute!
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2006, 03:04:23 am »

So your opinion is to not worry about it and let Iran nuke us?
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2006, 03:20:35 am »

A pre emptive strike may not be that difficult now, thanks to a few cartoons. I live HERE. Do I want to see a mushroom cloud where I live? No. Has this Iranian nutjob given us EVERY reason to bomb the hell out of him...even after the "Axis of Evil" speech? Yes.

Seems pretty clear to me.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2006, 08:46:40 am »

what about the high-level general who said "iraq was just a warm-up...." in reference to whats going down with iran in the next few years....i forgot where i read this (maybe here on the board?)
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2006, 09:03:35 am »

All I hope is that we get a democratic president in office BEFORE we take on Iran.  That way ALL Americans will be able to support the war and we won't have this constant second guessing, one-sided media reports, etc. 

I'll consider the higher taxes the cost of domestic peace - kind of like paying the haters to STFU.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 09:09:18 am »

meh i'd rather have a republican president in office during wartime...and america feels that way too (we almost always vote repub during war time)
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 09:16:44 am »

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All I hope is that we get a democratic president in office BEFORE we take on Iran.

You'll get your wish in 08! Well, at least, you'll get your wish of seeing a democrat back in the office cleaning up the mess of the current administration. Whether we will take on Iran is another story. If they truely have nukes and are a threat (and not an maginary, fabricated WMD threat like Iraq was) to use them, you can count on a tough US response (or initiative)
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 09:25:58 am »

So your opinion is to not worry about it and let Iran nuke us?

I'm not going to allow you to drag me into a political discussion, if you haven't been reading between the lines.
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Here's the thing - YOU could have a nuke and I wouldn't worry about you "nuking us."  In order to "nuke" a country, the country wishing to get their nuke on needs one of two things:  (1) long range ballistic missle strike ability and / or a sub program.  Iran has neither.  You don't just walk into Wal-Mar and buy a ballistic missle that can travel far enough to "nuke us."

The latest intelligence that I have been assigned - - and I know that as a member of the CID I understand CNN probably knows more  Roll Eyes -- Iran would be a geographic threat to their immediate neighbors.  If they proceed at the rate that they have been working to acquire long range, they'll be able to reach Southern Europe, North Africa, and South Asia by 2010 and maybe continental United States by 2015.

I hope you understand the third world countries that already HAVE nukes?  Pakistan was going to nuke Israel if they got them.  Huh.  Never happened.  India was going to just start tossing nukes around like candy when they got them.  Huh...never happened.

Worry more about nations developing a true risk to the United States directly.  Long range missles are much harder to come by.  Feel free to move to Canada if Iran has you that worried, Canada doesn't piss off anyone and would be a safe place to be.  I hear Toronto is nice in the spring.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 09:28:29 am »

OK - Read into thing much?

Only one place - in the introductory paragraph - does the word "nuclear" appear in that article.  Did anyone read it?  This sounds more like a religious discussion than anything else.

The hand of God came down and told this guy that "the messiah is coming" and you all turn it into "he's gonna nuke us, let's nuke him first!"

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According to Shiites, the 12th imam disappeared as a child in the year 941. When he returns, they believe, he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world.
This is a religious belief, and this guy believes that he's been notified by some supreme power that this 12th imam is on his way.  

This is not to be confused with "I'm going to end the world myself!"

Not everything to do with the middle east has to have a quick trigger attached to it.

If I'm reading this wrong, someone please enlighten me.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 09:30:45 am »

the difference between a "republican" and "democrat" president as far as an active armed conflict goes is 0, zip, zilch, nil

the difference between the people occupying those posts are what matter .. not what party they affiliate themselves with.

and as far as democrats cleaning up after republicans like househead was mentioning .. it's all the same junk .. crap in crap out .. democrats have just as many shady ass lobbies and interest groups as republicans do .. just instead of the christian coalition having a voice, it'll be the council of southern baptist ministries .. and instead of the stock brokers, it'll be the afl-cio .. in the long run it's the same crap as far as i'm concerned.

I look for very few things in government.

1 - get out of my wallet as much as possible without compromising the following
2 - prevent the strong from preying on the weak
3 - get out of people's personal lives
4 - deal with foreign entities
5 - provide a means for universal education, but not necisarilly the method

that is all.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2006, 09:32:38 am »

5 - provide a means for universal education, but not necisarilly the method
irony of all ironies.
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