A 2nd Rounder for Culpepper?

[Thundergod]

Yup,  draft is a crapshoot anyway.  I'll take Culpepper over Frerotte any day of the damn week.  He'd have Chambers here,  so it'll be no prob.  

[Phishfan]

A couple years ago I would have taken him in a heatbeat. Now I am not so sure. The guy is asking for a huge pay increase (maybe he is delusional because he has fired his agent and represents himself) or maybe it is a way to try and force his way out of MN (I think this is unlikely).

[crazy_scar_man]

There is only one thing in this world I can't stand more than Daunte Culpepper, that's Daunte Culpepper doing his retarded ass "huddle up" signal before EACH PLAY, like no one knows they are supposed to huddle up.

I personally sent a thank you note to my boy Chris Gamble (former buckeye and current panther) for delivering that mighty blow and assuring I wouldn't have to see or hear Culpepper for at least a year.

If he comes down here to Miami, I will pull all of run to win's hair out.

[Jim Gray]

Given the severity of his injury and high salary, I don't see how the Vikings can do anything but trade him.  No team will give up a number 2 pick (now that Wanny's not here) for him.  The risk are just too great, and I don't think he's the guy we build a team around.  Sorry Daunte, I have to pass.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Given the severity of his injury and high salary, I don't see how the Vikings can do anything but trade him.  No team will give up a number 2 pick (now that Wanny's not here) for him.  The risk are just too great, and I don't think he's the guy we build a team around.  Sorry Daunte, I have to pass.

The question is, would you take him if the price was right.  Say, a 4th rounder going to a 3rd if he makes the Pro Bowl or throws for over a certain number of yards/TD's etc.......?

[Philly Fin Fan]

The question is, would you take him if the price was right.  Say, a 4th rounder going to a 3rd if he makes the Pro Bowl or throws for over a certain number of yards/TD's etc.......?

No, the question was "would you trade Miami's 2nd rounder for Culpepper."

[YoFuggedaboutit]

No, the question was "would you trade Miami's 2nd rounder for Culpepper."

Not the second rounder.  I would probably part with a lower pick.  Say a conditional 4th. 

Any thoughts?

[KYfinfan]

Before last season I would have said this is a no-brainer....Culpepper for a second rounder would be a steal for the Dolphins.  Combine the way he played without Moss and the salary he wants then I'm not so sure this is a good idea.

[The_Phinatic]

Culpepper may command more than a 2nd.  The guy has arguably at least 8 years left in this league.  His asking price can be negotiated and he will get schooled IMO by the professsionals. 

If we can't draft Cutler, I am all for getting Culpepper if his knee is going to fully recover.  It's not his throwing arm.

[Dave Gray]

Culpepper may command more than a 2nd.

I can't see how.  This isn't the old NFL where big trades go down.  Look at other Superstars -- Terrel Owens, for example, was a 2nd round pick -- and at the time, wasn't perceived to be quite as crazy.  ...and Culpepper is possibly injured.  I don't see Minnesota even getting a 2nd...much less more than that.

[JVides]

I can't see how.  This isn't the old NFL where big trades go down.  Look at other Superstars -- Terrel Owens, for example, was a 2nd round pick -- and at the time, wasn't perceived to be quite as crazy.  ...and Culpepper is possibly injured.  I don't see Minnesota even getting a 2nd...much less more than that.

Well, I just thank God Spielman isn't negotiating with the Vikings.  If A.J. Feeley was worth a second round pick, and Lamar Gordon worth a third rounder,  just imagine what Spielman would've given up for Culpepper.

[DolFan619]

Well, I just thank God Spielman isn't negotiating with the Vikings.  If A.J. Feeley was worth a second round pick, and Lamar Gordon worth a third rounder,  just imagine what Spielman would've given up for Culpepper.

     Rick Spielman's a fag.  If it was up to him he'd probably surrender a 1st and 2nd round pick in 06 and probably another 1st rounder in 07.  This guy is such a damn idiot, never should've been this team's GM.  People like Spielman, makes you appreciate what you have with Coach Saban and Randy Mueller.

[Dphins4me]

Well, I just thank God Spielman isn't negotiating with the Vikings.  If A.J. Feeley was worth a second round pick, and Lamar Gordon worth a third rounder,  just imagine what Spielman would've given up for Culpepper.

       If it was up to him he'd probably surrender a 1st and 2nd round pick in 06 and probably another 1st rounder in 07.  This guy is such a damn idiot, never should've been this team's GM.  People like Spielman, makes you appreciate what you have with Coach Saban and Randy Mueller.

I'm so sick of people basing RS for these trades.  He was basically forced into them, by the lack of focus Wanny put on the offense while being the GM.

Lets remember that the 2nd for AJ was not a straight up 2nd.  Philly had to wait a year for the pick which increases the Rd.   As for Gordon.  Miami had to get a RB & Gordon was a 3rd Rd pick just a couple years before & had replaced Faulk a few times & looked good in doing so.

RS was dealt a bad hand & was put in a lame duck situation by Wayne.

[JVides]

I'm so sick of people basing RS for these trades.  He was basically forced into them, by the lack of focus Wanny put on the offense while being the GM.

Lets remember that the 2nd for AJ was not a straight up 2nd.  Philly had to wait a year for the pick which increases the Rd.   As for Gordon.  Miami had to get a RB & Gordon was a 3rd Rd pick just a couple years before & had replaced Faulk a few times & looked good in doing so.

RS was dealt a bad hand & was put in a lame duck situation by Wayne.

Listen, man, I may not put Spielman in the same breath as Wannstedt, but you cannot defend those trades.  I, too, was hopeful that the players acquired would pan out, but both trades were horrendous.  If you've read my posts, you'll have noticed I'm fair and analytical in my criticisms, and not quick to blame.  The Dolphins really bid against themselves for Feeley, and should not have surrendered anything greater than a fourth round pick for him.  As for Gordon, they gave up a third rounder for a former third rounder, yes, but one with durability and toughness issues (look back at the reports when Miami acquired him and you'll see).  If Patrick Surtain, an experienced Pro-Bowl player is only worth a # 2 pick, how can you justify A.J. Feeley being worth anywhere near that?  Spielman felt like he needed to make a splash and he reached.  It backfired.  This does not mean he won't be a fine GM elsewhere, someday, but his stay here was marred by bad choices.

[Dphins4me]

Listen, man, I may not put Spielman in the same breath as Wannstedt, but you cannot defend those trades.  I, too, was hopeful that the players acquired would pan out, but both trades were horrendous.  If you've read my posts, you'll have noticed I'm fair and analytical in my criticisms, and not quick to blame.  The Dolphins really bid against themselves for Feeley, and should not have surrendered anything greater than a fourth round pick for him.

    A 3rd Rd. pick was worth a QB you thought was worthy of starting.  That was about what Hasselbeck was traded for.   Yes, the years wait is what made it hurt worse, since you have to pay interest for a team to wait for their compensation & then when the season went all to crap it really made it hurt.

As for Gordon, they gave up a third rounder for a former third rounder, yes, but one with durability and toughness issues (look back at the reports when Miami acquired him and you'll see).

    Did Miami have any barginning power while making that trade?  Yes, they overpaid, but St. Louis took advantage of a great situation.   They plucked Miami because they knew Miami needed a back.   

Just like with RW right now for Miami.  They do not have to trade him, so its give me my price or I'll keep him.  How do you bargin with that other than walk away & it was already proven that Minor & Morris could not get it done.  RS had to do something or wash his hand to the whole season & just ride it out.  Which I know fans would have understood his lack of action.

  If Patrick Surtain, an experienced Pro-Bowl player is only worth a # 2 pick, how can you justify A.J. Feeley being worth anywhere near that?

  Cash, age & position.    As with the Gordon trade Miami was over a barrel.  Everyone knew Miami needed a QB.   Miami basically gave up a 3rd for AJ since the years wait pushed it to a 2nd.     Not gonna get into AJ being 3rd string since we all know why, some admit it some do not. 

Spielman felt like he needed to make a splash and he reached.  It backfired.  This does not mean he won't be a fine GM elsewhere, someday, but his stay here was marred by bad choices.

RS was put over a lame duck coach & did make the mistake of trying to protect him & help him win in a win or else year.  Wayne should have let Wanny walk to avoid this.  Friendship got in the way IMO.

That right there was RS biggest mistake.  He should have let Fiedler walk to make sure AJ got the practice reps to learn the system.   He should have also backed up RW with a power back & not fly weights.