RICKY WILLIAMS ...MORE TROUBLE

[TonyB0D]

if someone can be a pothead AND lead the NFL in rushing, that man deserves a bust in canton!!!

[Phishfan]

I can honestly say that this thread is the first time I have ever heard anyone say being hypocritical is not wrong.

[Brian Fein]

I think it's a bad rule. But I'm not saying it's okay for Ricky to smoke weed. He signed a contract forfeiting that right. I don't really think that it's the NFL's business what Ricky does that doesn't affect his job duties.

Maybe you guys don't understand the concepts behind the NFL's substance abuse policy.

These players are supposed to be role models.  They do charitable actions, United Way, Big Brothers, etc.  The NFL pimps out their players as people kids can look up to.

Do you want your kids saying "I wanna be just like Ricky Williams when I grow up" as he sparks up a fattie?

I'm not saying anything about weed itself.  I could give a rat's ass whether people smoke up or not.  I'm just saying that if your job requires you to stay away from it, all it takes is a little will power and self control to abide by it.  If you don't, and you get caught, its no one's fault but his own, so stop making excuses for his blatant disregard for his employers policies.

I got in trouble when I worked at Publix many times for not wearing an apron, or "polishable shoes" but did I say "My shoes are in India so I can't wear them..."?  Polishable shoes doesn't affect my ability to do my job, but it was the employer's policy, and it must be adhered to.

[Phishfan]

The problem with the world is that most people think athletes need to be role models. Athletes are athletes. I wouldn't want my kids thinking someone is a role model because they are good at sports.

[JVides]

For alcohol to be legal, and pot to not, makes no sense.  Alcohol is more dangerous, more imparing, worse for your body, and causes people to be aggressive and problematic.  Hypocrisy bothers me.

There we agree, but legalizing would cause a furor, and outlawing the other stuff would be even worse, so I don't ecpect anything to change.

[JVides]

I can honestly say that this thread is the first time I have ever heard anyone say being hypocritical is not wrong.

I know, pretty cool, huh?  I couldn't believe It as I was typing it, either. 

Laws are all hypocritical, though, as similar circumstances often lead to different punishment, even when the crimes are the same (one murdered gets life, the other gets "lit up").  That doesn't make the laws wrong, though.

[SCFinFan]

For alcohol to be legal, and pot to not, makes no sense.  Alcohol is more dangerous, more imparing, worse for your body, and causes people to be aggressive and problematic.  Hypocrisy bothers me.

Dave, I just wanted to say, I've found that alchohol does not cause people to be aggressive and problematic, rather, it decreases one's inhibitions and therefore allows people to act on their will, rather than listen to their conscience and higher reasoning/planning functions. In essence, when this part of your brain is shut down, impaired, or stymied, you become a pure animal or a baby. Achohol does not cause it, it merely makes it more likely and more probable.

No, but is marijuana's danger in that people become lethargic?  Sugar is a main killer in the US....and we all know that cigarettes cause case after case of cancer.  I just used those examples to point out that the government does not care about your health.  ...at least not enough to outlaw things that are bad for it.
I do not condone drug use on the job (or at all for that matter.)  I think that just like any substance, it needs to be used responsibly. 

I agree with you here, though I've never seen any scientific study which fingers sugar (which type of sugar, and, furthermore are they complex or simple carbohydrates?) as a main killer in the US. I think the logic behind this goes this way: you're going to die no matter what. What we're really concerned about is whether or not you turn off your conscience. It is agreed that alchohol does this as well, however, you've got to think of the mode of ingestion and the consequences therein as well. WIth Alchohol, it is ingested through the stomach, broken down in acids, and finally passed through into the bloodstream via the small intestine, etc. With Mary Jane, you smoke it, and this immediately passes into your respiritory system and your pulmonary system. It immediately affects two of your main organs, instead of just one. Then, I believe, though I have no problem being corrected if anyone knows better, it is immediately passed into the brain from the blood, as the oxygenated cells drop off their payload on the brain. The blood brain barrier, however, often slows the affect of liquid substances on the brain.

Therefore, because of the way it is ingested, it is a more deadly substance, and has quicker (and strangely, longer lasting) effects. True, the affects are often lethargy, but this is still a terrible effect. Negligence can lead to as much (if not more) bad things than can overt negative actions. And that's just if you only consider the consequences of an action. The morality of an action is not dependant upon its consequences, you know.

I probably shouldn't have gotten into this debate, but I figured I'd just throw in my two cents. I look forward to your reply, Dave.

[TonyB0D]

SCFinFan, you called weed deadly (unless u were referring to the alky?).  No one has ever died from smoking weed.  EVER.  maybe by driving stoned, or somethign liek that, but not from smoking.

It also has no long-term health effects to the brain like the government like to scare you into believing.

[Phishfan]

I think I should reply and state that anyone who thinks marijuana effects last longer than alcohol has a fundamentally wrong argument. Have you ever seen a smoker wake up in the morning still impared (minus the use of alcohol)?

[Dphins4me]

For alcohol to be legal, and pot to not, makes no sense.  Alcohol is more dangerous, more imparing, worse for your body, and causes people to be aggressive and problematic.  Hypocrisy bothers me.

The reason pot is illegal.  The Gov cannot control who grows it & therefor cannot collect tax money.  Its about the money.  Sure smoking too much of it is bad for you, just like too much of anything is bad for your body.  Too much H2O can kill you if you drink enough of it in a short time span.

From what I've heard Pot is less harmful for you than Oxycontin, but which one is legal & which one is illegal.  Why do you think that is?

As Chris Rock says.  Don't by their drugs, buy ours drugs.

[JVides]

No one has ever died from smoking weed.

Sounds like a dare, a double dog dare! 

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Sounds like a dare, a double dog dare! 

He's right though.  In it's 5000 years of existence, NO ONE has ever died of marijuana use. 

By the way, what type of work do you do, JVides, that you have to send people home for being high?  I'm surprised that they still have jobs after pulling a stunt like that. 

[JVides]

By the way, what type of work do you do, JVides, that you have to send people home for being high?  I'm surprised that they still have jobs after pulling a stunt like that.

In my younger years, I worked as a store manager for the infernal video rental business formerly owned by Wayne Huizenga.  A few times, my employees showed up stoned and couldn't even operate a register or computer.  So I'd send 'em home, then fire 'em.  The average "infernal video rental business formerly owned by Wayne Huizenga" employee is a 20 year old college student, so someone showing up visibly high or drunk happened at least twice a year.

Now, I'm an accountant, and busy as hell.  I'm posting here in between tax returns, sort of a rest before I get to the next one...

[Brian Fein]

No one has ever died from smoking weed. EVER.

I don't know how true this is....

[YoFuggedaboutit]

I don't know how true this is....

If Cypress Hill can put that quote inside one of their record labels, there has to be some truth to it.