A different mind set now maybe?

[JVides]

Ok, I take this, in conjunction with your other statements, to mean that with TO attained cheaply, we could address "some improvements on the defensive secondary and O-Line", and at that point be in a position to win the Super Bowl.

Well, kind of what I said, but I used the word "could".  I don't mean to say the team would be a front runner or favorite, just that the talent surrounding the quarterback could make him appear better than he is.  Besides, there will be quarterback options.  The Chargers appear like they might let Drew Brees "explore the market".  Culpepper may be available via trade.  Kerry Collins may be released.  Brian Griese looks like he's on to a new team.  Any of these guys is an upgrade over Frerotte.

I'm sorry if I got hot under the collar, but I don't like it when people put words in my mouth, and I perceived you to be doing just that.

I don't seriously expect the team to contend for the whole thing next year, but people didn't think Indy could lose to anyone, either.  I only bring up T.O. as a possibility to upgrade drastically at low expense.  Cheap and talented is a combination I like, and T.O. may have done so much damage to himself, he may come cheap.  It's worth looking at, I think.

[Spider-Dan]

We were 8-8 last year and while we lost some games we should have won, we also won some we should have lost. The Patsies also wouldn't have given us the final win, if we had been in a better position, so in terms of ability, I think the 8-8 is probably a bit of an overachievement. Not much, perhaps, but if we stayed at the same level, 7-9 would probably be a more realistic expectation.

Not to nitpick, but we were actually 9-7.

[Jeno]

Yeah im with JVides on this one, if we could get him on the cheap with a:

"If you start causing shit around the dressing room/sideline, you're fuckin cut" clause instated in his contract, removing his right to compensation if cut for bad behaviour, i hafta say i'd take him.

Wouldn't be a bad sight for a year? Chambers, Owens, McMichael, Booker, with Ronnie (and quite possibly Ricky) in the backfield?

[SCFinFan]

Jeno,

Don't forget good ol' Wes Welker in the mix, too!

[fyo]

Not to nitpick, but we were actually 9-7.

[mumble] hmm... I've got nothing. Still not recovered from the weekend? I don't know. I think maybe I've just written off that Patsies-"win" somewhere in the back of my brain.

Anyway...

Would TO even come to Miami if we didn't solve our QB problem first?

I'd love to have Breez. Culpepper maybe, but not at the salary he's going to demand even when he comes down from his $10M horse - he got $15M guarranteed with his contract in 2003 and was given another $7.5M last summer - and he wanted $10M more to bring him in line with "other top quarterbacks", like Peyton Manning. Collins and Griese, I'd rather steer clear of.