Immigrants day

[Frimp]

A huge percentage of the money made by illegals is sent back to Mexico. That's what RTW meant when he said that the money was being sucked out of our economy. The number one export of Mexico is illegal aliens.

Jvides, I applaud your father and anyone else who did it the right way. But, is he finding this whole thing with the illegals insulting? I would, and I personally know a few Mexicans who did it legally, and they are VERY insulted by this.

[run_to_win]

I'm sorry but you don't understand economics. Illegal immigrants do not "suck money" out of our economy.

By your logic, you could just as easily say that when any American works and keeps part of his income in a savings account, he is "sucking" money out of our economy.

You're not getting something.

99.99% of American's savings is in a bank working for the economy.  That money is being used.  Banks use your money and pay you interest in return.

Money that goes out of country never to return is "sucked out" of the economy. 

Show me the American worker stuffing $billions in his mattress each month and then you'll have a point.

[run_to_win]

I don't think the problem is that too many immigrants are entering; the problem lies in assimilation. 

While I agree that lack of assimilation is a huge problem, too many immigrants are entering federal programs such as welfare, public schools and prison.  For every dollar they collectively pump into the economy they use $5.

Mexico has the 11th largest economy in the world.  They have plenty of wealth. 

Train and arm illegals to overthrow the corrupt Mexican government a la Bahía de cerdos (Bay of Pigs - but hopefully with better results).  Create a free market democratic society and they won't need to come here.

[Phishfan]

While I agree that lack of assimilation is a huge problem, too many immigrants are entering federal programs such as welfare, public schools and prison.  For every dollar they collectively pump into the economy they use $5.

Mexico has the 11th largest economy in the world.  They have plenty of wealth. 

Train and arm illegals to overthrow the corrupt Mexican government a la Bahía de cerdos (Bay of Pigs - but hopefully with better results).  Create a free market democratic society and they won't need to come here.

I thought you were only against illegals initially. Now I can see you are against immigration period.

[JVides]

While I agree that lack of assimilation is a huge problem, too many immigrants are entering federal programs such as welfare, public schools and prison.  For every dollar they collectively pump into the economy they use $5.

Where'd you get that figure?

Mexico has the 11th largest economy in the world.  They have plenty of wealth. 

GDP is 14th in the world, but GDP per capita is 71st in the world, as per:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/index.html#ECONOMY

Train and arm illegals to overthrow the corrupt Mexican government a la Bahía de cerdos (Bay of Pigs - but hopefully with better results).  Create a free market democratic society and they won't need to come here.

Mexico HAS a free market society, and it is democratic.  It is defined in the CIA World Fact book as a federal republic, same as the U.S.  (The U.S. is described as a constitution-based federal republic.)  Their democracy may be comparatively new, but it exists.

[run_to_win]

I thought you were only against illegals initially. Now I can see you are against immigration period.

[ADeadSmitty]

Totally agreed.  So GDP is defined as Y=C+I+G+NE.  Lower prices raises consumption, Investment, and Net Exports exactly as you say.  What I am saying is that the increased population without taxation also increases governement expenditures.  So illegal immigrants both add to the economy and suck from it.  The question is do they add more than they remove?

G in your equation is government expenditures. If immigrants increase government expenditures, that would increase Y.

[BeefStewert]

G in your equation is government expenditures. If immigrants increase government expenditures, that would increase Y.

Assuming that G is appropriately funded.  If the governmet spends money that they don't bring in, then they too can have a negatvie effect on the economy.