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As someone that has been in "the trenches" for a long time and used to spend the week leading to the trade deadline working the phones...I will advise any and all of you to not listen to ANY rumors you hear this week.  Please be careful as to the rumors you report as fact.

If you hear a rumor...90% of the time the rumor was never true.  The other 10% of the time it was partially true and it's three months old.

The fact of the matter is that what trades come down they always catch people off guard.  "I didn't see that coming!" 

The Red Sox are a good example.  Some of my beloved former colleagues spent the weekend asking me for some help sorting out something they were "positive" Boston was about to pull the trigger on Adrian Gonzalez out of San Diego.  They needed me to use some of my contacts with the Padres to confirm the deal. 

Seriously.  Adrian Gonzalez.  The trade, the one they "knew was basically a done deal" was AG coming to Boston for Michael Bowden, Daniel Bard, Lars Anderson and Manny Delcarmen.

Now...let's forget the fact that Boston literally doesn't have a place for AG.  Where the hell would he go?  Let's see.  Youk to 3rd.  Check.  AG to 1st.  Check.  Lowell DH's on Ortiz's day off.  Check.  Adam Laroche will...shit.  What do we do with Adam?  Okay!  Try this again.  Lowell stays at 3rd, AG will DH, Laroche at 1st and Youk plays the outfield...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. 

Look, I love AG.  But this is exactly why you don't listen to rumors.  Common sense tells you that there is no spot for him (1) and that Boston won't give him up for that high of a price (2). 

Boston was also linked to a deal that was going to bring Jack Wilson AND Freddy Sanchez to the Sox.  GREAT!  Last time I checked, however, Boston has a starting 2B that is pretty decent and two short stops.  I could find a place for Wilson.  I would out right release Nick Green, start Wilson and spell Lowell with Lowrie for days off.  But Sanchez is a guy that needs to start every day. 

Anyway...my point...don't believe anything you hear this week until it's a done deal.

Do people really needs to be told this? Everyone knows that the fabrication shop in the rumor mill works double shifts this time of year...when I heard the rumor of Adrian to Boston, I laughed hard enough to scare the cat.

Sadly, yes.  You don't remember the 150 threads last year that I had to combine into one? 

I'm trying not to listen to this rumor, but apparently the Yankees front office are lining up their ducks to bring Roy Halladay to New York. 

See?

Yeah, but does anyone with a fully functioning frontal lobe need to be told this?

;)

^LOL.

I read on YSports Boston offered the Indians Bucholtz straight up for Victor Martinez and the Tribe declined. That bat would have been huge for the Sox.

"RHP Clay Buchholz was offered to the Cleveland Indians in exchange for C Victor Martinez in one potential deal to acquire the switch-hitting catcher, according to a Sunday report in the Boston Globe, and the Sox also offered RHP Michael Bowden, RHP Justin Masterson and a outfield prospect in a second trade scenario for Martinez - but both were rejected by Tribe execs according to a Globe report quoting a National League scout. Martinez would certainly fill a need with the Red Sox for both a catcher and a power-packed bat in the middle of the lineup, but the catcher is also set to become a free agent after the 2010 season."

- Yahoo Sports

I think part of that is me  :-[ ...I love hearing trade rumors,I love the fodder..and especially when we're talking about fantasy baseball....

PLEASE don't misunderstand!  The rumors are fun.  Last year we had some people (and none of them you) that "reported" some things as fact and it wasn't.  Post the rumors!  Just be sure they are labeled as that...rumor.  I love a good rumor like the next guy.

Why not keep all of them in one thread though, so as not to clutter the board?  Oh wait, we're already doing that.   ;)

Gordon Edes, formerly of the Globe and now writing for Yahoo Sports, has reported that Boston has made an offer to Toronto that is superior to anything they've received thus far:

Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden and Ryan Westmoreland for Halladay.

If true...Boston is giving up WAY too much.  All three are A+ prospects.  Westmoreland is freaking awesome, he has a lot of scouts that compare him to Grady Sizemore.  Boston might be a machine when it comes to producing pitching and infielders, but they continue to trade away power OF players (Murphy, Moss, etc).

IF this is true I would feel much better about it if Bowden weren't part of the deal.  Buchholz is going to be a legit 1 or 2, Bowden will be a legit 3 or 4.  Add those two guys to the players that the Jays will have coming back next season and that will be a stacked 1-5 for the next 10 years. 

Seattle and Pittsbugh made a 7 player trade?
 Mariners acquire Jack Wilson and Ian Snell for Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock.

I hate this...According to
Dejan_Kovacevic of the Pittshbugh post gazette's twitter account......

I think this this a rumor...can someone post a link to a real story please..thanks...

MOTHER FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

The one goddamn player I wanted...just one...was Jack Fucking Wilson.  What the FUCK is Seattle going to do with JACK WILSON????

How many times can I say fuck in one thread?

Aurgh.  Boston really needed Wilson. 

apparently the Rumor about Jackwilson is true...I just couldn't figure out why two "sellers" are trading with eachother...

On another note..
Philles said Fuck you Blue jays..
The Phillies have reached agreement on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco from the Indians for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866900/Sources:-Phils-reach-agreement-for-Indians'-Lee (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866900/Sources:-Phils-reach-agreement-for-Indians'-Lee)

Ouch the Philles are scarey....

Lee will be an amazing fit in Philly.  And make no mistake about it, that is a move designed for a show down with the Dodgers.

If the Jays screw this up and head into the offseason with Halladay still in their locker room it won't be good.  A LOT of his value right now is tied in to the fact that a team will be getting him for the stretch this year and all of next year.  The Jays can't afford to not deal him before Friday.

Last week, the Jays told the Phillies they wanted J.A. Happ, Kyle Drabek (the Phillies top pitching prospect) and outfielder Dominic Brown (the Phillies top position player prospect). The Phillies didn't want to give up both Happ and Drabek and said no, but counter offered with Happ, pitcher Carlos Carrasco, short stop Jason Donald, and outfielder Michael Taylor. The Jays said no.

So Instead, the Phillies get last years Cy Young award winner, without giving up Happ or Drabek!
Now granted, Lee is not Halladay, but he's a damn good pitcher and has been pitching great lately.

Edited to add- My nephew just pointed out to me that technically, the Phillies could still go out and give the Jays the 3 players they originally wanted for Halladay, and have Halladay, Hamels, and Lee as a 1-2-3 punch!

I agree with this 100%. I was OK with the Phillies giving up all that talent for him, because it could've meant two playoff runs with him in hte rotation. If they don't trade him, his value will drop severely before the winter.

^^Look at what happened with Johan Santana and the Twins.  That should be a cautionary tale for the Jays.  You get a lot more when a player is under contract, even for another year.

F the phillies .. that is all

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actually it's not all ..

i also hope that carlos lee has a rick ankiel like pitching streak

I could care less what Carlos Lee does ;)

I didn't know Carlos Lee could pitch in the first place!

Me either. 

Looks like the bidding war for Roy Halladay is heating up between the BoSox and Yanks.  I wonder where he'll go.... or if he'll go

^^What the hell are you talking about?  The only thing that came out of Yankees ownership lately is that Baby George hasn't given the GM permission to add payroll.  Nothing is "heating up" between the Red Sox and Yankees.  Not the division race and certainly not the chase for Halladay.

It never surprises me when New York swoops in last second and plucks away a player.  That is what they do.  But as of right now the Yankees have said that they aren't going after the guy.

^^^

Yeah, the only trade moves we've made are the Hinske deal and trading for Jason Hirsch from the Rockies. I like Hirsch, although I think he'd be garbage in the AL east. Who knows though. We struck gold the last time we plucked a garbage pitcher from the Rockies and placed him in our rotation (Shawn Chacon).

I've heard that the Yanks are trying to get Jarrod Washburn. I don't think they feel very good with Sergio Mitre as their number 5 guy. I wouldn't either, when the Sox are breathing down your neck in late July.

They were looking at Jarrod Washburn last season as well.  Have you seen what this guy has been doing this year?  He automatically becomes the best number 4 in the league if the Yankees add him, bumping Joba to #5.  I'm actually nervous about them pulling something off to get Washburn. 

I am kinda of nervous that I am not hearing much out of Dodgerland. The Lee trade was huge for Philly....a team that is playing great baseball right now while the Dodgers can't seem to score any runs. Philly scares me in the NL and they are the defending champs. The Dodgers need pitching help and fast otherwise they can kiss any chance at the World Series goodbye. Go get friggin Doc Halladay LA!!!!!

I can tell you this - and it's accurate - the Dodgers and Blue Jays were in discussions last night well into the early morning hours of today.  There are rumors that they weren't talking about just Halladay, but Downs and Rolen as well.  Stay tuned.

I bring this up because of the Marlins fans on the Board....
The Cubs are pursuing  a left handed bat,and a reliver...Hermida,and Teahan seem to be the targets..They don't feel like we'll get either....
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1692332,CST-SPT-csep30.article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1692332,CST-SPT-csep30.article)

I have to admit, When the fake rumor about Detroit wanting Milton Bradley this past weekend..I knew had to be B.S. but it Made ME SO HAPPY dreaming that it might be true.....

Piece of Shit Soriano,and Piece of shit light Bradley are both big mistakes...I think Lou is part of the problem with Soriano, Soriano is a little better,now that Lou isn't hitting him lead off,and finally taking his horrid ass defense out of ball game later in games....(Brenely for Manger in 2010!)

I like the idea of Teahan more than Hermida, being he can play 1st,3rd,and the outfield....But then again, I that takes Fox's spot on the roster....I hope they aren't intending to move Hoffpauir.

I still seem to be reading lot's Gossip about Padres on the Move, Gonzalez ,and Bell....I don't buy the Gonzo going anywhere,for the exact reason Towers gave earlier in the year...Who will Padre fans come to the ball park to see? (unless you're just a hard core guy like Stroke  ;) )

Don't know much about Downs....Rolen not sure where he would fit in. Good player but I am not terribly upset with the job that Blake has been doing at 3rd. Halladay is who I want. Thanks for the insight Maine.



Be careful what you wish for.....Brenely will give you fits. He is an ok manager but his decision making sucks. I had to hear about it daily here in AZ on the local sports talk shows. Nice guy who the players seem to like. I am not sure if a lot of his problems weren't because he was handcuffed by management either but again buyer beware with Brenely!!!!!

The Dodgers Just got George Sherrill....About halfway down the page
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9871032/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Thursday's-edition (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9871032/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Thursday's-edition)

The Dodgers have acquired George Sherrill from the Orioles, major league sources have confirmed to FOXSports.com.

According to MLB.com, Class AA third baseman Josh Bell and Class AA right-hander Steve Johnson will head to Baltimore in the deal.

Bell is a highly-touted prospect, but the Dodgers have enough left in their farm system to make a competitive offer to the Blue Jays for Roy Halladay. It's not clear, though, if they're going to be willing to do that.


The Cubs have aquired Pitcher John Grabow of the Pirates,and maybe  Tom Gorzelanny  (conflicting reports,and I'm not sure who we gave up....)

Thanks for the info Az,I just think He's watched the team for 3 years,and ses the same mistakes being made,over,and over...I think he maybe the one guy that can take this over priced bunch of talent,and have them listen....He seems to say stuff, Like, I think the Cubs need to watch out for this,and Bam it happens..I know there is a big difference between him saying something,when there isn't anything on the line,and managing...

The Cubs sent Ascaino,Hart (who was the Cubs starter today),and 3rd baseman Josh Harrison for  John Grabow, Tom Gorzelanny...Great game today kid,You've just been traded to the Pirates....Lol..I was never a fan of Hart....

^^^

B....My mistake. I love Brenely......I still think the D'bags screwed up by letting him go in the first place. I was thinking of Bob Melvin whom they let go of this season. I apparently did not eat my Wheaties this morning and let my brain get ahead of my eyeballs. Brenlely was a great manager and took the fall here for management bringing in all the Baby Backs way too early from the minors. I think Bobby B would be a great pickup for any team needing a manager. Many here in the valley of the neverending fucking SUN still are calling for him to come back. Again my mistake and thanks for the Dodgers info I had not seen that yet.

Fish talking to the Nats about Nick Johnson.

Thompson/Tucker are in the conversation.

This would be huge to get Bonafacio out of the lineup.

Then what do you call this:

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/30/gal_back_07_30.jpg)

A photoshopped picture...did you read the article that went with it? it was from the 29th,and buried at the bottom of the page. It's one paper trying to stir things up..Most of the Rumors (from newspaper websites,websites,SI) Have the Rangers and Dodgers making the biggest play for Halladay (it seems like most people feel nothing is going to happen...Alot of "talking"

The rumors have the Yankees hot and heavy for Jerrod Washburn...

An interesting three team rumor between the Red Sox Cleveland,and a mystery team....To send Victor Martinez to Boston..the third team is someone to take Ad Laroche..The article mentions the red sox tried to pull this type of deal for both Halladay,and Adrian Gonzalez,but failed...
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4368061 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4368061)

Tommy - the MEDIA has been talking about Halladay since LAST YEAR.  Last time I checked the media doesn't get deals done.

This morning all I saw were "Rangers closing in on Halladay" stories.

Which would be interesting seeing that MLB has had to give Texas loans to keep them from bouncing checks to their players and staff.  Texas is in a big money bind.

^^^ Maine is spot on with this. Was reading reports that even if they had the prospects (which most feel they don't), the Rangers would never be able to do it, since MLB had to give Hicks (Rangers owner) $15 Million to make his payrolll in June and he is still hurting at the gates.

Just about everything I've read has said that once the Phillies got Lee, Riccardi has been saying his "gut feeling" is no deal will happen for Halladay.

I think the Blue Jays shot themselves in the foot holding out for more.  The word around here (before the Holliday trade) was that they wanted Wallace, Schu and Rasmus plus two other prospects from the Cardinals for him.  umm..NO!

I still have a weird feeling the New York swoops in and gets the guy.  I really do.  And it's just a feeling.  As much as Tommy would like to think Boston and NY are on constant conference calls with Toronto trying to out do each other, that is not happening. 

I see NY picking up the phone around 2pm and saying:  "Hughes, Kennedy, and two guys of your choice in AAA, AA or A.  The only guy you can't have is Joba."

Just think Halladay winds up in NY.

Marlins not in talks with Padres for Heath Bell anymore.

They wanted Maybin + West/Miller + change....


I have to agree with moving on here.

BTW, Maybin has been bouncing back hardcore in AAA.

Maybin in Nola:

Avg: .325
OPS: .880

He cut his K rate almost in half since Carolina...
Mudcats: 31.79% of ab
Nola: 19.91% of ab

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/cameron-maybin.shtml

*Stats as of yesterday night*

Tigers acquire Washburn for 2 pitchers

SEATTLE -- The Mariners have traded left-handed pitcher Jarrod Washburn to the Detroit Tigers for rookie left-hander Luke French and pitching prospect Mauricio Robles.

The Yankees, who have been considering an upgrade to their rotation, and Mariners also had spoken briefly about a proposal involving Washburn on Thursday afternoon, a source told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

Major League Baseball's trade deadline is 4 p.m. ET Friday.

General manager Jack Zduriencik told ESPN's Peter Gammons that there was heavy interest in Mariners ace Felix Hernandez.

"I had calls," Zduriencik told Gammons, "and I listen to everyone. But it would have taken too much to even discuss a realistic trade."

Washburn has turned around his career this season. After three lackluster years in Seattle, the left-hander is 8-6 with a 2.64 ERA this season. He had won four consecutive starts before taking a no-decision Tuesday against Toronto. In that stretch, the veteran allowed only three earned runs in 36 2/3 innings.

Washburn will be a free agent this offseason, and the Mariners decided to maximize his trade value.

French has split the season between Detroit and Triple-A Toledo. He is 1-2 with a 3.38 ERA in five starts for the Tigers.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4368815 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4368815)

The Marlins upped thier offer for Nick Johnson,The Rangers have given up on the Halladay trade....The Tigers also inquired about Luke Scott of Baltimore....
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596)

Yeah on the Washburn..F- the Yanks.....

San Diego's farm system needs help.  Between Bell and AG, they can stock the shelfs.  They have asked Boston for the following package for AG: Buchholz, Masterson, Lowrie AND Lars Anderson and Ryan Westmoreland.

They must be out of their tree. 

Boston is about to nab Victor Martinez from the Indians.  Not sure who is going back.  I really trust my buddy reporting this one, I'll be shocked if it doesn't pan out.  So far he's batting 1.0000 on his reported trades.

Adrian Gonzalez, if he played his home games in Fenway, with that much offensive talent around him, would give you 40 Hr and 130-140 RBI every year. I pray that he doesn't go to Boston or New York though...Adrian is too nice of a guy to lose his soul to the dark side.

Besides, Maine, as you and I discussed on the phone, Adrian needs to be the next Tony Gwynn in SD...plays there his entire career (or almost all of it) and be a staple in the community, especially for the high Mexican demographic in that area.

SD's farm still needs help, but I'm beginning to see signs of life from some of our young prospects, so I'm backing slowly away from the ledge at this point.

^ just read that ...Fox sports,and usa today are trying to confirm it...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596)

Also
[bThe Twins have acquired shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the A's for Class A shortstop Tyler Ladendorf.][/b]
This one seemed to be rumored forever.....


Sorry Guy's I'm off today, bored as hell and have a Broke T.V....

I agree 100% with all of that.

I also think he isn't worth three major league players and two A+ prospects.  Holy crow.

Holy crow...

Reports are that Boston landed VMatt and didn't give up Buchholz or Bard.  Who they hell did they give up?  Youkilis?  Jeez.

I don't talk a bunch about him here but Justin Masterson and I have formed a very strong and close friendship since his time here in Portland.  We chat a lot about things near and dear to our heart, especially a lot of Bible talk.  He is a great guy.

And now he is off to Cleveland.

Darn you, trading deadline.

Take care of my buddy, Indian fan.  You're getting a top notch A-1 class act.

They gave up Masterson? Seriously?

I can't 100% confirm it.  But I sent him a text asking if he's heard anything and all I got was a "God has a plan for me no matter what but today stings" and a frowny face.

The Globe is reporting Masterson and Nick Hagadone

Edit: Apparently Gammons is confirming that they're involved but it isn't a done deal yet

Figures. 

Masterson automatically becomes Cleveland's #3.  And he SHOULD be Boston's #4.  Brad Penny sucks.

Hagadone has a hell of an arm.  That kid could be very good.  He's in A ball right now, bet Cleveland moves him up to their AA system.

If the Sox pull the trigger on the Martinez deal, Atlanta has interest in LaRoche

It's done.  Gammons is always slow to report.  He was the one that botched the A Rod coming to Boston story and has been gun shy ever since.

Well the Yankees got something..Jerry Hairston Jr...... :D
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/07/yanks_get_hairs.html (http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/07/yanks_get_hairs.html)

Explain to me please why we traded Adam LaRoche for Casey Kochman? One first baseman for another? HUH?

Jake Peavy traded to the white sox...AGAIN.....this time he accepted...
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/mlb_trade_talk/posts/72805-padres-agree-to-deal-peavy-to-white-sox?eref=BrkNews (http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/mlb_trade_talk/posts/72805-padres-agree-to-deal-peavy-to-white-sox?eref=BrkNews)

NThe New York Post's Joel Sherman reporting that Roy Halladay has not been traded.

I don't understand why my Indians would pull a Pittsburgh and trade away their two best players.  What bothers me is that they keep doing it when they're not in contention. 

Victor Martinez and Cliff Lee are both gone.

I know the team wants to stay under a certain number in payroll but come on.  This looks like a team that WANTS to be stuck in mediocrity.

I hate to see Peavy go, but SD got enough quality arms in the deal to make it acceptable. I like Poreda's ceiling, and I think that Latos, Poreda and Richard will be a nice young trio in the rotation.

Still hurts a little though... I'm gonna miss Jake.

And he stays put for a few more months.

and the marlins are buyers !

Nick Johnson  for Minor League pitcher Aaron Thompson.

This is the only realistic move we could have made that I actually wanted to see.

Hmm...I think it's interesting about the moves,that fell through....
Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Padres almost dealt Heath Bell and Adrian Gonzalez to the Dodgers for James Loney, Russell Martin, Blake DeWitt, James McDonald and Ivan Dejesus. one of his tweets

I think that was one of those,not in our own division trades.... :D

I just don't understand why the dodgers need 3 closers?