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Title: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 06, 2009, 06:41:28 pm Shame of the Game goes to Sean Smith for being all over that play, but still letting the receiver catch the ball and then getting by him.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: DZA on December 06, 2009, 06:56:25 pm The secondary gets my shame. Once again letting guys catch 50+ yrd bombs. Gibril wilson sometimes i wonder about this guy.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Dave Gray on December 06, 2009, 08:46:05 pm I won't give out a shame, but I will say that Henne had a pretty poor showing for much of the game. He didn't have terrible numbers, but he missed open receivers on several occasions. I think the defense bailed him out today.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: raptorsfan29 on December 06, 2009, 08:55:31 pm Chad henne, Tepop was going to nominate him anyways
in all seriousness, secondary gets my shame. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: CF DolFan on December 06, 2009, 09:01:49 pm I won't give out a shame, but I will say that Henne had a pretty poor showing for much of the game. He didn't have terrible numbers, but he missed open receivers on several occasions. I think the defense bailed him out today. Funny. I didn't see the game but kept up on my phone. I heard the beginning and the end on the radio and at the end the guys, Jimmy Cefalo, Jim Mandich, and Joe Rose were kind of raving on Henne. They said he had 50 somthing passes but it really didn't seem like much and that his poise was very good. they went on to say that last week didn't carry over and that showed a lot of maturity. in another note Larry King was calling the game inthe first half with them. Kind of wierd if you ask me. I guess we are doing celebrity announcers now? :-\ Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Dave Gray on December 06, 2009, 09:26:19 pm Henne had good numbers, but he had missed opportunities and a costly pick that was nobody's fault but his, at a time when we were driving to tie the game.
In his defense, he didn't have mental errors, but he floated a lot of passes for first downs. His receivers made some good catches to bail him out, in addition to the defense stepping up to stop the Pats. The Patriots were inside the 10 twice and came away with 0 points, one from a failed 4th and 1, and another from an INT in the endzone. Around this time, Henne had to ability to capitalize, but missed open guys. He kept his poise at the end, though, and I guess it's all that matters. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: ethurst22 on December 06, 2009, 10:23:35 pm Funny. I didn't see the game but kept up on my phone. I heard the beginning and the end on the radio and at the end the guys, Jimmy Cefalo, Jim Mandich, and Joe Rose were kind of raving on Henne. They said he had 50 somthing passes but it really didn't seem like much and that his poise was very good. they went on to say that last week didn't carry over and that showed a lot of maturity. in another note Larry King was calling the game inthe first half with them. Kind of wierd if you ask me. I guess we are doing celebrity announcers now? :-\ Believe it or not, from 1969 to 1975, Rick Weaver, Henry Barrow, Hank Goldberg and Larry King called Dolphin games on WIOD. Larry King became famous for his radio talk show on WIOD in the 60's and the 70's. King was absolutely controversial back in those days. If you heard one of his broadcasts that were raunchy from the earlier days and what he does on CNN these days (asking softball questions) you would not believe it was him!! Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Tenshot13 on December 06, 2009, 10:54:17 pm Gibril Wilson
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Phishfan on December 06, 2009, 10:56:21 pm Henne was right on track to get the shame. He missed some wide open throws today and one of them almost killed our game winning drive. Thank goodness he hit the fourth down pass. That may have bailed him out from getting the shame from me. I'm not sure who to choose.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Tepop84 on December 06, 2009, 11:00:51 pm Henning. No reason that Henne should be dropping back 53 times.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: stinkfish on December 06, 2009, 11:07:20 pm I especially didn't like the fact that Henne squandered two time outs early in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: JVides on December 06, 2009, 11:52:34 pm Are you guys nuts? Henne was throwing the ball away when he over-threw half of those receivers! The ball in the end zone to Haynos? Threw it away. Over-throws to guys bracketed by double coverage? Threw the ball away.
SOTG goes to the secondary. Couldn't stay with Moss and Welker. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Tepop84 on December 06, 2009, 11:55:14 pm Are you guys nuts? Henne was throwing the ball away when he over-threw half of those receivers! The ball in the end zone to Haynos? Threw it away. Over-throws to guys bracketed by double coverage? Threw the ball away. SOTG goes to the secondary. Couldn't stay with Moss and Welker. Bullshit. Henne just has no accuracy. Secondary allowed the Pats to only score 21 points, they shouldn't get SOTG. Where was Randy Moss in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. No where to be found. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: JVides on December 06, 2009, 11:58:31 pm Ridiculous that in a game in which Henne carried the team you're still on him like he stinks.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Frimp on December 07, 2009, 12:20:34 am Ridiculous that in a game in which Henne carried the team you're still on him like he stinks. What do you expect from Tepop? Henne could throw for 300+ yards and 2 TDs for the win, and he would still be saying Henne sucks. ...oh wait. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Guru-In-Vegas on December 07, 2009, 04:30:05 am Gibril Wilson. This guy is AWFUL. The blame for the TD caught on Smith goes to Wilson IMO.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 07, 2009, 07:38:33 am Bullshit. Henne just has no accuracy. Secondary allowed the Pats to only score 21 points, they shouldn't get SOTG. Where was Randy Moss in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. No where to be found. I'm sorry, Tepop, but you're just drinking the Henne Haterade. He might've overthrown some receivers at times, but for every boneheaded play he made, he came back with a brilliant one. He missed a wide open Lousaka Polite on third down, then hit Davonne Bess on fourth down. He's proven to me that he has the mental toughness to play in the NFL. Mental toughness cannot be taught. You either have it or you don't. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Phishfan on December 07, 2009, 09:22:03 am Are you guys nuts? Henne was throwing the ball away when he over-threw half of those receivers! The ball in the end zone to Haynos? Threw it away. Over-throws to guys bracketed by double coverage? Threw the ball away. SOTG goes to the secondary. Couldn't stay with Moss and Welker. How about the miss to a wide open Fazano that should have been a TD? How about the miss to an even more wide open Polite on third down of the winning drive? Trust me, I'm not a typical Henne basher, but he missed wide open receivers without thrwoing the ball away. After thinking on it a bit, Henne is not getting my shame of the game though. He did pull himself out of the messes he made. The shame goes to Pat White and I hate to say it. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: JVides on December 07, 2009, 12:01:44 pm ^^^Yeah, but the pass to Hartline in the end zone was a beaut. The touchdown pass to Bess, where NE blitzed him up the middle, was nice too. The snap from center (Henne was in the shotgun) was low. He handled it and got the ball out to Bess, who had the middle nicely vacated by the NE blitz.
He handled a bad snap, picked the right guy, and delivered the ball in less than 1.5 seconds (in my estimation) with a howling NE blitz in his face. That took stones, that took skills. I think many QBs eat the ball in that situation, because, if you care to look at the replay, NE was in his face immediately, and I mean immediately. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Dave Gray on December 07, 2009, 01:24:05 pm Tommy is right. Henne missed the throw and made up for it by making a great throw next. But had he not come back and made that next great throw, he'd be the guy to pick. That's my point.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: ethurst22 on December 07, 2009, 08:11:45 pm I will pick one play for my SOTG that could have backfired in Miamis favor.
It's when Pat White wildly pitched the option play to Williams which almost ended up as a disaster. Phil Simms said it best. With Ronnie Brown out, Miami doesn't have the expertise in running the Wildcat because Brown was the triggerman. The formation flounders without Ronnie Brown. So shelve it and play smash mouth football. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 07, 2009, 11:23:47 pm I will pick one play for my SOTG that could have backfired in Miamis favor. It's when Pat White wildly pitched the option play to Williams which almost ended up as a disaster. Phil Simms said it best. With Ronnie Brown out, Miami doesn't have the expertise in running the Wildcat because Brown was the triggerman. The formation flounders without Ronnie Brown. So shelve it and play smash mouth football. Teams have figured out how to stop it. The Saints defense proved that as the game wore on. Plus, losing Ronnie Brown really hurts. I agree, get rid of it and start playing a traditional offense. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Dave Gray on December 08, 2009, 12:25:11 am We only ran 2 wildcat plays, both with Pat White. I don't think that's really a great judge of its effectiveness.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Brian Fein on December 08, 2009, 02:01:17 am I don't consider Pat White at QB a "wildcat" play. What makes it Wildcat? The fact that Pat White can't throw? Did the Falcons run the "wildcat" every play for 4 years when Vick was their QB?
Just cause Pat White comes in doesn't mean its wildcat. No unbalanced line, no RB in motion. Its just a play with a different QB, IMO. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Phishfan on December 08, 2009, 09:31:21 am We only ran 2 wildcat plays, both with Pat White. I don't think that's really a great judge of its effectiveness. Those were not Wildcat plays. Pat White was just in a QB formation running an option play. The bad pitch play was like a hybrid of the wishbone and shotgun combined. . Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: JVides on December 08, 2009, 10:19:41 am ^^^It was a spread option, no?
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Phishfan on December 08, 2009, 10:35:38 am Maybe once, but one of them had White and three running backs if I remember the formation correctly. The spread option usually only has one back.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Doc-phin on December 08, 2009, 10:58:15 am Gibril Wilson. This guy is AWFUL. The blame for the TD caught on Smith goes to Wilson IMO. Blame him for other plays if you like, but I can't blame him for that play. He was a single deep safety. He had two receivers, one of which was Moss, on the other side. His responsibility was primarily to the other side. If Wilson had broke on the ball immediately, he may have been able to stop Aiken somewhere around the 10, but even that would be debatable. Smith should have known that his primary responsibility is to make the tackle when there is no safety help. He went for the pick and got mugged in the process. All of this = learning experience for Smith! SOTG - Erik Walden for being downfield before the kick. He basically gave the other team a free shot on our punter (and a fairly hard one at that). For the most part, everyone played pretty well. I had a hard time figuring out a single player to attribute SOTG to. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: BigDaddyFin on December 09, 2009, 04:48:35 pm This is a nearly impossible week to pick one, but mine goes to Pat White for that botched pitch to Williams. I really wish they'd get rid of the Pistol formation altogether. I'm not saying don't use Pat White, or don't run the option plays with him, just don't use that formation anymore because every time we line up in it, everybody in the stadium knows it's a run.
Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: Doc-phin on December 10, 2009, 12:27:58 pm This is a nearly impossible week to pick one, but mine goes to Pat White for that botched pitch to Williams. I really wish they'd get rid of the Pistol formation altogether. I'm not saying don't use Pat White, or don't run the option plays with him, just don't use that formation anymore because every time we line up in it, everybody in the stadium knows it's a run. I don't totally disagree. But you have to admit that they were on White awfully quick. I don't really think he just outright screwed up. When he is in the game, the O-line needs to recognize that they are sending extra players off of the edge and sending them quick. This will stop once he becomes a passing threat. Be patient! I have really thought about this, and I think I like this project. I know it isn't working yet, but I really think it will and when it does it could make our offense the most difficult offense to defend in the league. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: NADS on December 15, 2009, 03:04:09 am I don't totally disagree. But you have to admit that they were on White awfully quick. I don't really think he just outright screwed up. When he is in the game, the O-line needs to recognize that they are sending extra players off of the edge and sending them quick. This will stop once he becomes a passing threat. Be patient! I have really thought about this, and I think I like this project. I know it isn't working yet, but I really think it will and when it does it could make our offense the most difficult offense to defend in the league. I agree. The easiest way to keep opposing D from sending a jailbreak blitz is to pass the ball in the Wildcat or Pistol. Giving White one shot a game won't get it done. Title: Re: Shame of the Game- Patriots Post by: NADS on December 15, 2009, 03:06:10 am Sean Smith. Getting smoked on the bomb was iffy because it looked like offensive PI, but it still happened. Wes Welker damn near broke Smith's ankles twice and that's what seals the deal for me.
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