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http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5140313

Yeah, seriously..."Hey, Kid, is your mom a hooker, or what?  Just askin' because it's irrelevant and all..."

I'm beginning to sour on Dolphins management, and it has nothing to do with on-the-field performance.

I read that article this morning.  It has to make you wonder.

Wow

Yeah that has to be one bonehead moment for the ages.

I'm usually the first to defend Ireland...and still think he's the best GM we've had here in a long damned time, but that was definitely a stupid thing to ask a draft prospect.

The least he could have done was phrase it in a less offensive manner...like "So tell me, Dez, was your conception accompanied by a financial transaction? I mean, aside from the crack cocaine sold by your 15 year old mother to your biological father shortly before or after their 7 minute relationship."

I'll chalk it up as a pungent brainfart on Ireland's part, crack a window, and get on with things...

We all say stupid things at some point in our lives

It was more than the one incident.

You're right STLFinFan. There have been other things done and said by Ireland that's just low class. I don't like the ex-wannabe midget kicker anyway. He's always looked like a jerk in my eyes. Bill Polian or Ron Wolf, he is not.

Hmmm... doesn't this belong in the anti-fins section?

I don't get it.

I'm aware of the Ted Ginn, Jr. and his family comment but this is stupid.

There are some things that are just TOTALLY off limits. Ireland crossed the line. I've never heard a GM say that in all of my life. No player should be subject to that kind of questioning. His mother is not the one who is running pass patterns. Even if it was common knowledge, there are just some things that you don't say.

Zach Thomas was right. He went to great lengths not to call Ireland out. The flap with Zach wasn't a Parcells thing, it was Ireland.

This is why I'm turning sour on the Dolphins. I've been a fan for 40+ years and I've watched the organization go from being the most classiest to the most classless. The Dolphins were the model flagship franchise for years and now this. I can't stand this kind of conduct, especially when in tarnishes the Dolphins.

I am trying so hard not to see this as a "racial" incident. If Bryant had not been black, would anyone else have been asked the same question? Well, to me whether the player is black or white, you don't do this kind of stuff.

Jeff Ireland, the midget ex-kicker, is the worst GM in football.

Please provide examples...and appropriate links.


This obvious predisposition is why I'd like to see those examples and links...

C'mon Stroke, it's been all in the news. The dealings and lies about ex-players, not telling the truth about players, the Matt Roth incident, the Jason Taylor incident and even though I didn't like Joey Porter that much, Porter did have some validity to some of his claims. It's even been said here on this forum. I don't have the time to go through the Sun-Sentinel and the Herald and every other newspaper and provide links.

The guy is TOTALLY classless but as long as he puts a winning team on the field, I guess he could say anything. He gets a free pass.

Whenever controversy swirls around a person, they are usually the cause of it. When was the last time you heard Bill Polian always having the spotlight on him for saying something or lying about a player? How about Pioli in Kansas City? What about Holmgren in Cleveland? Andy Reid? No one would be bringing this up as a problem if this guy was on the up and up and he's not. Granted, football is not a childhood fantasy anymore, it's a business but this clown crossed the line.

Yes, Parcells is the chief. He's trying to stay hands off which is respectable. Parcells wouldn't dare do that with a player and he's had some players with some crazy backgrounds.

You want an instance? He flat out lied about Gibril Wilson. Flat out lied about Ted Ginn, Jr (who we now find out was being shopped since 2008...that's great for a persons confidence).

The bottom line is that he's showing his true colors.

How about the way they treated 54 and 99 when their services were no longer required?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2010/04/thomas-dolphins-have-to-show-respect.html

^^^You mean, like the NFL was a business?

If Jeff Ireland was walking down the street, and Dez Bryant was walking towards him, and Jeff Ireland asked Dez Bryant "Is you mom a prostitute?", Dez Bryant would have probably beaten the shit out of him.

But, because it was in a place where Jeff Ireland knew he wouldn't get his ass kicked, he asked the question.

What were these lies? I'm not sure I'm following these references.

I will say this:  if an employer asked a prospective employee this question, a lawsuit, brawl, or both would ensue.  I get why he wanted to know, in a sense, but he could've asked the question like this:

"Hey, kid, is your family life going to pull you under?  Is your mom going to be a distraction?"

And 'Stroke, the NFL is a business, and "54" and "99" were the team's showstoppers, the main gate attractions, the guys that put butts in seats, for over a decade.  A businessman would've said "the paying customer would like to see these two honored by the franchise, so I will honor them, in the name of goodwill and, hopefully, renewed season ticket packages".  A scout would say "you don't have it any more, you're out on your ear."  Ireland is a scout by trade and nature, not a business man.  This is beyond evident. 

I'm not defending anybody, but we have been on both sides of the fence.

The Wannstadt era Kissed the ass of ballplayers. Took them on field trips to movies and shows. gave out draft picks and contracts like candy. Look where it got us.

I'm willing to wait and see if there is any truth to the saying that nice guys finish last.

Sunstroke, they showed both Zach and JT the door.  OK if they did not fit into the team anymore.  Not ok that two beloved and iconic players were not allowed to say their goodbyes.  Not ok that Taylor was not just told face to face.  Post-it notes, vague maybes, give the guy a yes or no.

Phish, Ireland made it seem that the Dolphins wanted to keep and develop both Wilson and Ginn when he knew full well they were going to cut Wilson and were shopping Ginn.

^^^ Maybe I didn't read those articles but I don't recall them.

I didn't either, Phish...and aside from the idiotic comment about Bryant's mother, I think Ireland has done an outstanding job as Miami's GM.

Here's the bit regarding Wilson:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2010/04/ireland-the-interview-the-wilson-flap.html

He went on about how Wilson would perform better in the future, making it seem as though Wilson would be with the team.  He never said "he'll do better in the future AS A DOLPHIN".  He implied one thing and meant something else.

I think Ireland has done quite well as GM here, thus far.  I am concerned, however, at this apparent (and widening) perception that he's a classless A-hole.  Why?  Because what free agent in his right mind is going to willingly come to the Dolphins and be treated like meat, when other (winning) franchises treat their current, former, and potential players with dignity and class (Indy, San Diego, New Orleans, and, yes, the Pats come to mind)?  It's one thing to be a caustic ass if you're winning; it's quite another to be a middling success (both in Dallas and Miami) and act in this way.

I am not questioning his ability as a GM.  He has done a fine job.  I am questioning his interpersonal skills, which seem to need some serious help.

Am i the only person that has no problem at all with the dez bryant question ?

Ireland already knew the answer to the question before he asked it. or he wouldn't have known to ask it. It wasn't foot-in-mouth .. it was a calculated provocation to see how Dez Bryant would respond. The fact that his mother was actually a prostitute was already out there. the point of the question wasn't to see if she was turning tricks or not. The point was to see what kind of reaction they would get. Think of it as a verbal rorschach test.

In fact i'd put good money down that these types of classless and questionable questions are commonplace in pre-draft player interviews and have been going on for years. And i'd put even more money down that the tape of the interview was shown to a psychologist at some point before the draft to evaluate the responses. To think that an NFL team when faced with the decision to spend 40+ million dollars on an unproven player wouldn't go to these lengths to make the correct choice is naive at best.

It wasn't a stupid question to ask. 

His mother was convicted of selling drugs.  She gave birth at 15 to Dez.  Had 3 kids by 18.  All kids have different fathers (according to reports).  Rumors are at least one of the baby daddys was a paying customer.

Dez is on record saying how close he is to his mother.  You're potentially going to be on the hook for six years, initially, with this player and millions and millions of dollars.  It serves you best to know EVERYTHING about the potential baggage being brought to the table.

It's very easy to sit back and second guess that when the money being spent isn't your own. 

You are who you run with.  If I were Ireland, and I had concerns about potential pot holes that Dez's mom could get her son into, I would have vetted her without him knowing.  That's me.

I don't know how the question was asked, however - as long as it's done in a respectful way - I don't believe any question is off the table when accessing potential risk.  I'm quite sure that he didn't say "so, kid.  Your mom fuck guys for money or what?  She spread for dough?  Turn tricks?"

I'm sure he was as respectful as he could be.

Anyone think other teams don't ask some whacked questions?  According to Yahoo! Sports, other teams asked...

• Defensive tackle Gerald McCoy was asked during an interview with another NFL team at the Scouting Combine whether he plays in a G-string or a jock strap.

• Florida State safety Myron Rolle, who didn't play football at Florida State during his senior season to instead accept a Rhodes Scholarship, was asked by the Tampa Bay Bucs what it felt like to ``desert his team.''

• Running back Toby Gerhart was reportedly asked if being a white running back made him feel ``entitled.''

Source:  http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/28/1601113/miami-dolphins-gm-apologizes-to.html

So let's not get our undies all in a twist over this.

^^^Fau , you'd be OK with an employer asking this of you?  Or about some other family secret?  I don't buy the calculated provocation argument, either.  Like, "let's test this kid's resistance to taunting to gauge the chance he's going to cost us 15 yards".  Nah.  Not buying that.  As I said before:  the guy is a scout by trade.  Evaluation of players: good so far.  The other stuff that comes with being a GM: not so hot.

Maine, you just cited examples of other teams having a bunch of socially inept morons running their drafts, too.  That doesn't excuse Ireland; it just shows that the line of questioning is pervasive in the business.  Show me where else in the world a prospective employer could ask a prospective employee if his mom was a hooker.  I don't think Goldman Sachs is asking this of its brokers; many of whom rake in several hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars.  It's a preposterous question!

The excuse that everyone else is doing it does not make it right.

^^^ You're only having a problem with it now, because it's happening to your team.....Trying to compare it to an average joe is B.S.,Your job isn't scrutinized for every little move,and isn't in the public eye....

When trying to obtain a top-secret security clearance to work aboard a nuclear sub, I was asked a lot worse questions that this regarding some of my family members, and their "involvements" in certain things. I was even asked certain questions about extended family members whom I didn't even know!

short answer, yes

long answer is that government agencies and large companies do much more invasive checks than this

 
Here is an apology by Irlend:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Dolphins-GM-apologizes-for-asking-if-Dez-Bryant-mother-was-a-prostitute?GT1=39002

I can't answer this question 100% honestly here so I won't. All I will say is that I agree that Irlend is an asshole.  but maybe its about time we got an asshole to run the show?  One that actually puts the Team first above all else.  ::)

I think when A Team is thinking of investing dozens of millions inyou you STFU and answer.

I love the way everyone is skriting the truth.  They are not saying she didn't smoke a meat pole or two for money , just that he never should have asked.

Is this problem specifically with Ireland, is it a problem with the NFL, or is it not a problem?

I don't think that's an appropriate question for a job interview, but at the same time, you want to have character guys around you.  You aren't your family, but I'm guessing by the numbers, that children of drug dealing hookers might not be the most adjusted mentally.

Still, I don't think it's something you ask point-blank like that.

When I was cleared for a TS Umbra security clearance in the Army, they asked me a lot of distasteful questions about my family...and myself.  They also went around my hometown and asked a lot of the same questions of my friends and family.

I didn't get pissed off...I just figured that Uncle Sugar was doing his due diligence before giving me sensitive secrets to hold.

Top secret security clearance for the military is a zillion miles away from playing in the NFL.

Maybe Ireland was just looking for a hook up.

National Security and playing football are two very different things, though.  I guess I'm just a priss on this matter...

I also wasn't being paid millions of dollars for merely having my name called at the draft.

They also made the phone calls and had the conversations with my friends, family, and random people in my town.

There is more than one way to ask the question.  

"So it it true your mother is a crack ho?" is one way.

Other ways to ask the same thing, but generally considered more acceptable would include....

"what did your mother do for employment?"

"how did your family earn income?"

"Do you know anyone who does drugs?"  follow up "who?"

"Do you know anyone who is a prostitute?"  follow up "who?"

"What is your relationship with your biologial father?"  "What do you know about him?"

True, but how does the fact your mother may have been a prostitute when she was young have anything to do with wether you can catch a ball?
Was someone going to use the information to get you to throw the SB? Comparing the process to be granted  a Top Secret or higher clearance and the process to become an NFL reciever is comparing apples to horseshit.

The NFL and the military aren't the same, but the goal of the interview is the same:  Does the interviewee have the character and background to be trusted with your very precious asset?

And it's not just the salary that is lost.  If the player busts, many, many more millions will be lost because of lost revenue from other sources.

People could come out of the wood work,when you come into money,What if someone comes out saying they're his father,and paid his mom to sleep with him...Now he wants to be reunited.(It can be a total B.S.,but can cause him to be distracted)..What if a Reporter asks him about his past,and he gets offended and punches the reporter....If it's that touchy of an issue,it can explode into a PR nightmare..There are lots of scenerios,It's covering all your bases...Didn't we learn anything from Ben Rothlisberger? The Team gets fined if He screws up,and Charges don't have to be involved...How combfortable are you handing someone a Multi year,multi million dollar contract....

When did the NFL become so pussified that this is such an issue?  I could really care less is Ireland asked if Dez's mom was a whore.

Last I saw, Dez Bryant is a 6'2" 215 pound man.  There's nothing "pussified" about that, Tenshot.  This was asked of a man undergoing a job interview, is all.  Some of us object to that type of question, some of you don't.  Trust me, it has nothing to do with being "pussified".

I laughed out loud at that!!   :D :D

I agree. But he didn't need to ask that question to get the answer. A simple private investigator (like the several he has on retainer) could find out her arrest record in a fax/phone call in seconds). Ireland clearly has a problem talking down to people. Parcells did not get where he is and all his respect by doing that. Hopefully he will have a long talk with him.

i'm telling you people .. there is no chance .. 0%.. that ireland didn't already know that his mom was a hooker .. hell he probably could have produced a couple of former johns at the interview.

the question was asked to provoke a response, it was 100% psychological.

It's also be one thing if he asked him if was a hooker, because he was stereotyping him as some kind of ghetto kid.  But, he didn't.  He asked him, because it's known and he was trying to see if the kid would lie about it, confront it, or handle it some other way.

But now, you can bet if Dez Bryant is a bust, I'll say that it's because his mom was a hooker.

I find it funny that people talk about having "character" guys around on sports teams. Name one organization or workplace that has 100% character guys. It's impossible, especially in a nation which has NO CHARACTER, LACK OF INTEGRITY and DEVELOPS SMOKE SCREENS and w lot of deception.

Go no further than your job in a large organization and take a poll. I can guarantee you that the majority of workers are probably jerks that undercut people and say stupid stuff.

That question was way out of line and some of us are just stupid fans that are blinded not to see it because we want a winning team AT all costs. If we're not having a good year, we want our team to "tank" some games to get a better draft slot. We say whatever we want to say. Some of us created Jeff Ireland because some of us don't have sensitivity ourselves.

I'm not going to call this a racial incident because Ireland doesn't have a track record of racially insulting people. It was just plain dumb of him to even go that route with Bryant.

Could you see Wellington Mara or Gil Brant asking these kind of questions?

Then what is a character guy in the NFL? As soon as someone questions something, they are a demon, a locker room "cancer" when they may be right. We've seen so many signs that Jeff Ireland cannot effectively communicate with people. I wish that he had not said anything and I don't believe that he is racist. He needs communication skills.

So where is Roger Goodell? Nowhere to be found.

He would have been better off sharing "ya mama" jokes with Bryant.

What does Dez Bryant being a 6'2'' 215 lbs man have anything to do with it?  Does Dez have a right to be upset?  Sure, I would be too, but no one else does.  Why is everyone so offended about something that happened to someone else?  I think this is another case of people being way to sensitive and the pussification of the NFL and the media.  Do you think anyone would have blinked an eye if this happened in the '80s?  It's a non story that is being blown out of proportion, like so many other things these days.

Big Boy job, Big Boy questions..............

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the Miami media needs to move along to something else.  I know the Panthers suck and aren't in the NHL playoffs, so the news desk is slow.

Ireland was trying to evoke a reaction and got one alright, from the national media.  why isn't everyone up in arms over Toby Gearhart being asked "“One team I interviewed with asked me about being a white running back,” Gerhart says. “They asked if it made me feel entitled, or like I felt I was a poster child for white running backs."

it's time to move on......................next!!!!!!!!!

About time we had a 100% ruthless asshole running things. The trick is he needs to hide it better.  You just KNOW belichick is a bigger Ahole, but you gotta put on that smile and at least act Professional. Ireland did not and he apoligized. Lets move on.......

Not really.  You are accepting massive liability on this player, contractually, which doesn't begin to speak to the volume of liability you are exposing your BRAND to, one that you have spent 40 years building.  Not sure why people can't see that.

Come on Maine. I see the importance of building a brand, but comparing it to national security secrets is way off.

If he asked that question in an attempt to avoid tarnishing the Dolphin's brand thru negative press about the misdeeds of a potential employee, I would say it backfired miserably. 

I think this shows even more immature Dez really is. He pitched a fit about shoegate, and tried to play it off by imitating what Manning said to the Colts before he was drafted. Now, that question comes out almost a week after being drafted by the Cowboys. I think he decided to have some more minutes of fame and milk this question. So far, every story about Dez has been bad. I think that after his drama so far this off season, Ireland did the right thing to ask a question that would get under Dez's skin.

Tasteless question? Yes. Should Ireland be fined or fired over it? No. If Goodell insists that Ross fire Ireland over this, it will be painfully obvious that favoritism is given to the Patriots and Steelers. Belicheck cheats and gets away with it. Big Ben rapes girls, and gets away with a suspension. Ireland asks an uncomfortable question, and its the end of the world.

Does it show immaturity on Dez's part? Absolutely. Bookmark this post because I'm calling it right now: T.O. + Ryan Leaf= Dez. He will be a bust, and will hurt the Cowboys. And, I'm sure some of the opponents he faces will throw 'yo momma's a ho' jokes at him, and he will throw a tantrum, and get penalized or ejected.

I agree with the above. The best way to get preferential treatment and free shit in this world is to make yourself a Victim. Its OK that he's breaking rules left and right , but know he wants to be treated like Joe #1 citizen with his checkered past and expect people to just hand over millions to him.

I'm OK with Ireland asking Bryant about his family and his life growing up.  Let's remember, the question about Bryant's mom being a prostitute wasn't thrown out there from left field.  She wasn't exactly a teacher or nurse....she was a 15 year old self admitted drug dealer with 3 kids by the age of 18 (3 different daddys).  It was a legitimate concern for the reasons Lil B and Maine stated earlier in this thread. 

I also agree with those who think Ireland was trying to see how Bryant reacted to a "touchy" subject that might set him off.  Kind of smart imo, when your considering drafting a guy with character issues.  Dez will hear a hell of alot worse on the playing field and if he blows up on a guy, he hurts the TEAM.

Some of these comments are bullshit.

Character, hurting the team, going to war. I wish that people would stop using these analogies when it comes to pro football. I've been in war and terrorist zones when I was in the military. The people that serve our country have true character. It's too bad that many politicians that send them to war don't.

The NFL is the granddaddy of American sports. Owners make money hand over fist and even the sorriest franchise (take your pick) is worth billions and people treat the NFL like it's NORAD or something. I'm tired of hearing people say that Miami wanted to know what they were "investing"in. If the market calls for a certain salary, then the person should be paid their worth.

Face it. When you go to apply for a job as a Systems Analyst, they don't ask you questions about your mama.

But it appears that there are two type of standards in America concerning the interview process. The rich process (say anything) or the poor process (we'll get back to you)

Gibril Wilson signed a big contract and was released. The way that people talk about it, you'd think that the signing would have wiped the franchise out. News flash! The highest NFL contract is peanuts compared to what the NFL brings in. The NFL has become a year round operation making money ALL year

What is NFL security and investigators for? All teams knew of his background and past. IT DID NOT HAVE TO COME UP TO SEE HOW MENTALLY TOUGH A PLAYER IS! That's bullshit! I've said this before and I've been blasted on this site for saying it. The NFL operates in a total different world behind closed doors which we don't see.

The issue about the white running back? Why should HIS color be a factor? Where in the hell are they getting all of these questions from? Whats really going on in sports?

And for those of you who say that his mother would be a topic of trash talk on the playing field, you're wrong. In sports, when it comes to trash talk, certain items are off limits like mothers and wives. There's certain lines the players will not cross or if they do, they are treated like s*&* in the off-season by fellow players. The NFL is a fraternity with many players and you don't go into certain subjects. It's just like here on the forum...if you get into certain personal attacks, you are banished. Same applies in the NFL.

Like I said, I don't believe that Ireland is racist and there are probably people on other teams that did the same thing. Should he be fired? No. Ireland needs to be careful with his choice of words.

...and now Dez Bryant is going to torch the Dolphins if they play each other in the regular season.

Saying this...


And then this...

Puts you in the same boat.  As your opening shot.

What does Jeff Ireland, Dez Bryant, the NFL, pimpin' daddys and ho' mamas have to do with you being in a war and terrorist zone?


So, if I can get to your central thesis of this out pouring, the bottom line - really - is that you are offended FOR Bryant?  Or was your mama asked about her past when you ordered a Dolphins jersey?  Something like that so that you are directly offended?  Otherwise, other than not being in agreement of the questions, really, what ground do you have to stand on to be offended for someone?

If your answer is "I am a fan of the team."  Bad answer.  That is by choice.  Vote with your wallet.


Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.

I was asked some pretty probing and interesting questions in my private sector, nonmilitary, job interview.  Are they going to care if you want to pour a slurpee at 7-11 and ask the same invasive questions?  Probably not.  Is it the "rich man's" fault that the "poor process" people barely qualify to be Wal Mart greeters, therefore are not subjected to a more pointed and invasive interview and screening process?


Please show me an industry where employees make more than a company owner.  That said....what is your point?  Again, what does this have to do with anything?


At the end of the day I am sure that they don't care if the guy is neon blinking pink, as long as he puts the rock 4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage each time he touches it.  That said, were you in the room?  Do you know what the interviewer is really looking for?  I'm sure all of your counter terrorism training affords you the knowledge that maybe, perhaps, it isn't the ANSWER that they care about...rather the WAY the question is answered.


Along with the items you've detailed above, you have also lined up a corner, LB, o-lineman, what-have-you in the NFL?  OR, perhaps, is this your opinion versus fact based in experience?  If it is the latter versus the former, I don't know if you are in a position to tell anyone that "you're wrong" with such conviction.  

The bottom line - you don't agree with Ireland's questions.  We got it.  Noted.  It's one thing to have opinions, feel free not to force those down everyone else's throat as fact...they just ain't.

i like Ireland's question, i hope he continues to push buttons and to make sure we're not getting damaged goods in the draft because somebody's mom was turning tricks and smoking crack and now they have mental and emotional hangups that will impact their performance.

This is of course right after he signed incognito. Ireland is just an idiot.

I don't expect Dez to do much torching of anybody...either this year or later in his career. I believe he'll turn into a decent WR who never lives up to his draft status.


You're not paying much attention to the conversation, it appears, because the last time I checked, Incognito's mom wasn't actually a 14 year old crack dealing hooker (like Dez' mom), nor is Incognito a new entry into the league that requires a GM to test his mental make-up to see what he can take without blowing his cool.

Let me start this off by saying that my mother, as a black woman is great and I come from a single family household which community played a big part. I live amongst most white people in Westminster, Colorado who are so worried about achieving what the next white man has or are busy trying to debunk others thinking that they have a whole bunch of knowledge and that they are the only ones with the knowledge.

I want you to pay attention to the words MOST instead of ALL because when I say MOST, people think I mean ALL. So if you misunderstand it, its your fault.

I can speak on black/white relations because I've been in multicultural environments, have spoken on panels and I've been an EEO officer in the military and have an educational background in this stuff. And I've been in multicultural environments since the age of 5.

So no, I don't have a Dolphins jersey and no my mother wouldn't order one. Was your mother asked about her past when she was offered a job position or did she order a jersey?

African-Americans, along with other minorities have been putting up with this shit for years. Especially in the South. Does that answer your question Maine? Yes, I'm offended for Bryant and just like I was offended for the white player that was asked if he felt odd by being a white running back in the NFL.

I've called black people out for stupid stuff so I don't take sides. If you're white or black and say something stupid, you're an asshole and if you try to speak on a cultural subject that you got a degree in and didn't even spend time with that subject or culture, you're still an asshole.

I'm also offended for the legacy of the Dolphin franchise. I don't know how long you've been around (you could be a generation X'er) but I was with this franchise in the days of George Wilson, through the Shula era into the dark era and this era now. Everything the Dolphins did was with CLASS. Robbie had a driver in his later years and I use to see him in the airport going to NFL meetings in New York. He would stop and talk to you and he treated the fan with the utmost attention. Now, you can't get Parcells to say a damn thing because we're living in the age of the have and have nots. So he doesn't want to speak to us but he wants our money. I don't give them my money. I stopped years ago.

So yes, I am offended by how this went down but also offended from the standpoint of the Dolphin franchise which NEVER except for once in the Shula era with Don Reese, has had such a stroke of stupidity painted over it.

Myron Rolle is a black defensive back, a Rhodes Scholar and all hes was asked about was deserting the team? For goodness sakes! The GUY IS A RHODES SCHOLAR and he did it while playing football and you question commitment? Totally stupid. Would he have been asked the same question if he was white? Probably NOT!

My opinion is my opinion and I'm stating it. I'm not campaigning, I'm stating how I see it. This is a forum, don't like it don't answer back.

Hell, I'm gonna ask you...were you in the room? Ireland asked a question that was totally out of line. If it wasn't out of line or it was a lie, he should have stood up and defended himself and said that he did not say it. He didn't do that. HE STATED THAT HE DID ASK A QUESTION PERTAINING TO THAT ISSUE WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE.

Sorry, he admitted it so we didn't have to be in the fucking room.

And you're fucked up if you think the employee makes MORE than the owner in the NFL. NFL players DON"T have guaranteed contracts. They may get a signing bonus and that's it. Are you telling me that a Dan Marino made more than Uncle Wayne? You're out of your mind! The Miami Dolphin franchise is worth billions. Why do you think they could cut their loses with Gibril Wilson? 2 Million dollars is a drop in the bucket for NFL franchises and lets not lose track of the fact that they don't want to pony up any money to the players who built the game and if you come back with the bullshit reply that all the old time players didn't manage their money, that's bullshit.

The salary cap stuff is bullshit and is a mirage because the NFL wants us to think that every team has "competitive balance". If that's so, there would not be a threat of a lockout in 2011. It's sports and also about business.

In reference to the military, those are the true character guys, not some players and a team chasing an oval football. That's what makes this whole process. Character guys are guys defending the country while our asses are asleep. So much emphasis is put on character guys in the NFL until it is stupid.

As far as trash talk in the NFL. I've got cousins that played in the NFL (ever heard of Lomas Brown who blocked for Barry Sanders or Buster Ryhmes who played for Minnesota?). So of course, I don't know anything which is what you assume. There are things that players don't cross the line with when playing football. You are stupid to think that players will go out there and talk about each others mother when in the African-American society, that's rules for getting into a brawl? You obviously don't know shit about culture or African-American culture.

And you miss the fact that Darrelle Revis, Sanchez or Brandon Marshall may have the same agent and these guys fish, go hunting and do appearance together in the off season. So how would they line up across from each other and talk about stuff that's off limits? That's an example.

But 80% of the players in the NFL are black so most of you guys expect them to have a "jungle bunny" attitude and talk about their moms from across the line of scrimmage and all that other negative stuff. There is acceptable trash talk then unacceptable trash talk. You'd be stupid to think that they would talk about each others mother.

When will most of you white guys get over the fact that there are people of other races that could have more information than you and let me make this clear. Most of you why guys not all. So I wouldn't know anything about what goes on in the NFL having relatives that played in the NFL.

So you are going to tell me that there are questions that don't violate EEOC policy? I can see questions about credit and what happened at the last gig or even drug tests. I don't know where you are coming from but I'm willing to bet that you have not asked anyone the question in your interviews on whether their mother was a prostitute.

On the character issue. Most of you guys talk about "character" on an NFL team and I stated that you would never have a total consensus of robots. When you define "character" are you talking about "white society?" If that's the case, most whites have done a horrible job in that field for over two hundred years. The NFL executive structure is basically ALL WHITE. I guess when you have major dollars, you can say whatever the hell you want.

THAT QUESTIONING HAS NO PLACE IN ANY WORKPLACE. PERIOD. Black, White, Female, Male...makes no difference.

Now if you had read what I said, I don't believe that Jeff Ireland is a racist.  I don't expect many white people to be sensitive to anything because it's not preached in your community, churches and societies. Ireland is a victim of not being sensitive on VARIOUS matters, not just this one. The most glaring is the Zach Thomas situation after he retired from the Chiefs. Others are taught to conform to the standard that "white" society has set in this country, not a rainbow of thought from various cultures.

So now people are going to tell me that there is a black president. Great. That doesn't mean shit. There have been black leaders for centuries, even in Russia so I'm supposed to get excited because a country finally decided that since Bush was crashing everything? Lets put a black face in there to preach patience when hes following the agenda of the elite with plans for socialism for all our asses. Read the Patriot Act, you may find a plan for the Dolphins in there.

So tell the rest of us Maine, what questions do you ask in an interview that's along the lines of what Ireland asked Bryant. Let us decide. You said that you ask some dicey questions so I would like to hear what you ask during an interview.

I have no problems agreeing or disagreeing. I know that reading comprehension is a lost art and the schools and colleges don't give a fuck about it anymore but I'm stating my opinion. I didn't send you a ballot asking to vote for my opinion.

I feel sorry for Jeff Ireland because he is being torn apart fairly and unfairly. I hope that he learns from this and I hope that you learn that yes, blacks as well as whites are offended by the whole incident.

Print it, suspend me or whatever. It is what it is.

^^^ Mercy...and I thought MY brevity switch was broken! ;)

By the way, here's a link as far as an EEOC study and someone tell me if Ireland didn't cross the line...

http://www.nmsu.edu/~eeo/handbook/Chapter5.pdf

Also, to Maine... I had to adopt a white daughter from a well to do family that is living with me now. Both parents in the household. Very affluent but stupid. Preach diversity but act the opposite. The father is dean of a college and the mother is just out there. I've had to go through all the stereotypes, racial bullshit and other stuff that comes with it.

So why? Because as a gifted classical piano player she was ruining her life. She was hanging with the wrong crowd in Boulder (witches and all kind of crazy shit), headed towards a life of drugs and even prostitution. She's been with me for five years. She even had suicidal tendencies.

Her parents? There is nothing wrong! She grew up in the "proper" community, did all the right things and was taught to not let anything out do her, especially "those" people (other minorities).

So at least I KNOW what its like to be intimately involved with the opposite race instead of just hearing it in college or reading a fucking book or news report about it.

Why would a white player feel offended for being asked this question? If I was going to be a running back in the NFL (I'm white, by the way), I'd feel pretty weird about it since everyone else is black. Why can't people ask questions such as this without people getting bent out of shape? It's an intriguing question.

Comparing contracts and teams to the military is assinine.
Can one player really bring down a team? And if so how many people are really hurt by it?
In comparison how many people would be hurt if a soldier gave up important information that caused the destruction of a brigade of division? Maybe even a ship? How much would the costs be in terms of human lives and money?
There is a very good reason why during the process of getting a top secret or higher clearance, because there have been many cases throught history where people have betrayed their country because someone found out about something embarassing from their past they do not want anyone to know about and peole have paid for that with their lives.
Show me one team, just one, that has been utterly destroyed and people have suffered as badly and I will grant you these types of questions are warranted for any draft prospect.

Why is race even coming into this? I have seen plenty of white prostitutes. Let's keep it on topic and away from race as that has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation.

Iggy was signed for Peanuts.  Bryant would have been a several year investment costing Millions. Bad example.

Gasp!  If things had to be kept "on topic" ethursts' post would be reduced to...well...

I don't know what part of his post is on topic!

Of COURSE this has turned into "black" and "white."  Because a white man asked a black man if his mother was a prositute.  If that person asking that question was Denny Green, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

LOL! Lucky I like you bud!   I could have a field day with that one! 

I guess that was an open door.

A new article that breaks down the he said/he said in this situation...

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5151539 (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5151539)

No disrespect to Dez Bryant, but after reading through what Ireland said was the conversation, I could easily see that conversation going that way.

smells like bullshit pr from the dolphins.

Come on 'Stroke!  We can't use common sense, here!

"What does your mother do for a living?"

"She works at Burger King."

"She makes fast food?"

"No, she sells BMW's."

People never want to hear BOTH sides of the story.  That would mean that it's not this racially filled conspiracy to keep the black man down.

If the line of questionning truly went like this:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."


There is going to be a lot of crow eating to be done.

I find it interesting that I am listening to Yo Mama's Big Fat Booty Band right now.

LOL............Lots of , I bet you can Identify them from the Top of their heads........but no!  I respect you Bud!   :D ;D

The Iron Sheik does not like Jeff Ireland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDT7no8OiLU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDT7no8OiLU)

If anyone cares, Dez Bryant is denying that this exchange took place.

^^^ I saw that Dez denied it, and am 100% convinced that he was lying out his ass when he denied it. Body language...check! Immediate attempt to disengage from the question after the lie...check!

I am sooooooo glad that Miami and SF avoided drafting this guy...I think he's gonna be a mental case for the duration of his career (which I expect to be relatively short and unimpressive).

To be honest, I don't care if Ireland reached across the table, slapped Dez and then called his mother a slut.  What one spoiled, over entitled millionaire does to another has not consequence on my life.

^^^ <Pushes chair back, rises, and gives Maine a standing ovation!!>

Bryant also denied the incident with Deion Sanders that got him suspended for his final year at Oklahoma State.   ;)

Dez Bryant was lying to the NCAA which led to his suspension.  I'm SURE he's lying yet again.

  

I can't think of a player I've ever disliked to the point that I hate this punk. I mean when the NFL Network and ESPN talk about all the other teams and what they are doing, but all they have to say about Miami is more about this stupid story. Then Ross gets out there and says 'We'll review our interview process to be more sensitive.'

Come on. That's the problem with the NFL. Ross should have come out and said "Look, Dez...I'm sorry your precious feelings got hurt, and that your mommy wasn't there to change your diaper before you were interviewed. You have shown that you do not have the character to be on a respectable team like the Miami Dolphins. You have shown that you would rather shine the spotlight on yourself, rather than showing a potential employer that you are worth spending millions of dollars on. Therefore, you have found the perfect spot to be in with the Cowboys. And after a tantrum or two, I'm sure Al Davis would love to have you. Have a nice career, and be ready when you face defensive backs in actual games, because they will say things to you far worse than the question that my general manager asked you. Remember, the refs do not throw flags on words. They do throw flags on unsportsmanlike conduct, which is what it would be called if you retaliated against the defensive back...no matter what he said about your mommy. That is also all you have shown from the combine to now. Unsportsmanlike conduct. Thank you for your time."

Grow up you little punk. I hope every one of Miami's defensive backs gets an interception or brutal tackle on you in the preseason game. I would love for Vontae to say "Hey Dez...Your mama didn't have change last night, and all I had was a 50. Can I get my 15 bucks from you?"

I've spoken with her about overcharging like that...

Hey Dez........I smacked your mother last night.

She was sucking my dick and I couldn't see the ballgame.......

Dolphins GMs and fans are so classy.

^^^ I'm not convinced you're qualified to judge "classy."

another solid post by a troll mod. 

Thanks...could you define "troll" as used in that sentence? The definitions I have on file leave me scratching my head at your meaning.

I do not know about Ireland's salary, but Bryant was not a millionaire at the time.

Tepop.........if I was a troll Id have asked if your mom was a prostitute :o :D

Another solid post by our resident village idiot.

Sure he was.  The minute he declared for the draft he had income insurance in place with Lloyd's of London.  All top prospects do in the event they blow out a knee or something in a combine.  Whether he is paid by his drafting team or never gets drafted at all, the minute Lloyd's accepted liability on the kid, he became richer than you ever will be.

Considering that you didn't know how vicodin and house are related, it is not surprising that you could be confused. 

Some of us do not waste away watching every TV show on the planet......

Especially crappy shows like "House".

Amen...


...and Amen.


I'm sure I could use some obscure TV reference that you and a lot of other people wouldn't fully understand either...I just try not to do that in thread subjects for obvious (to most) reasons.

you could, and i would be smart enough to not post that I don't get the reference.  Also, only an idiot would call house an obsure tv reference considering that it has over 10 million viewers a week.

What the hell.  I don't watch House either.  Never have.  I'm pretty sure I am not an idiot.

who called you an idiot?

You said only an idiot would call House an obscure TV reference.

Add me to the never watch it list, but I did get the reference only because I know a guy who likes to tell you every detail of what he watches on TV. I should tell him that I don't need to watch the shows because he gives me a complete rundown each week.

Smart enough? He didn't think someone would give a fuck thats why. Of course we forgot we have you here that like a bottomfeeder in a fishtank looks for bullshit to complain about.

Nice job derailing a thread by making it an in-depth analysis of Houses' reach into pop-culture.