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Title: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: MikeO on April 16, 2012, 08:40:54 pm Free Agent WR Legedu Naanee worked out with Miami today.
Was with Carolina last year and did nothing. Was a decent player when he was in SD. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: MikeO on April 17, 2012, 07:26:39 am Naanee signed with the Dolphins early this morning. 1 year deal
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: mecadonzilla on April 17, 2012, 08:09:53 am Well, he's tall. That's pretty much all I know about him.
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Landshark on April 17, 2012, 08:16:22 am I just went out and bought a Naanee jersey. I'm so pumped up for this season!!!
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Fins4ever on April 17, 2012, 10:15:24 am Naanee signed with the Dolphins early this morning. 1 year deal When did he get out of jail? Is he on the early release program? Maybe he can drive the snow blower...Uh, never mind. ;D Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: EKnight on April 17, 2012, 10:38:50 am Great. This is Miami's answer for replacing Marshall? A guy whose entire career numbers are about what Brandon did in one year with the Phins. And arrested for public intoxication and resisting? Yep, this is going to be a HUGE upgrade both on and off the field. ::) -EK
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Doc-phin on April 17, 2012, 11:30:57 am This is a good signing guys. I suggested we take a look at him more than a month ago. Don't forget that we aren't going to have an "alpha" guy anymore. The strategy will be to have several similar receivers and pick on the other teams weakest corners.
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Fins4ever on April 17, 2012, 11:48:31 am This is a good signing guys. I suggested we take a look at him more than a month ago. Don't forget that we aren't going to have an "alpha" guy anymore. The strategy will be to have several similar receivers and pick on the other teams weakest corners. I think he is a tremendous downgrade from Bess or Hartline, maybe even Wallace, Moore and Gates. He will not be there by the end of August. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: EKnight on April 17, 2012, 12:04:03 pm Doc- it's not really even a production problem for me. SOOOOOOOOOO many people pointed at Marshall's off the field issues as a reason to get rid of him, and now Miami signs a guy who was arrested for public intoxication. It's getting a player with all of the downside Marshall had and none of the upside. -EK
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Doc-phin on April 17, 2012, 12:06:22 pm Doc- it's not really even a production problem for me. SOOOOOOOOOO many people pointed at Marshall's off the field issues as a reason to get rid of him, and now Miami signs a guy who was arrested for public intoxication. It's getting a player with all of the downside Marshall had and none of the upside. -EK He is just a stop gap though. And he is probably pretty cheap. I would rather build our receiving core through the draft so I don't want an extended or expensive contract for a receiver at this point. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: EKnight on April 17, 2012, 12:16:34 pm I see what you're saying, but I just disagree. He's not any kind of upgrade over what Miami has, so he may not even get on the field a significant amount of the time. That's a waste of a signing. -EK
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Doc-phin on April 17, 2012, 12:27:26 pm Just something to think about for you guys...
When I played tennis, we had a strategy (although we weren't supposed to use it). It was called, stacking. Essentially, we had a seeding process where we would rank our players. Our #1 guy would play their #1 guy and our #2 guy would play their #2 guy and so on. If their team was obviously better than yours, you could try and re-order your rankings so that you had a less skilled player going up against their #1 and #2 guys, since it was obvious you were unlikely to win those matches anyway. This way you have your #1 guy playing their #3 guy and #2 guy playing their #4 guy. Overall, you had a better chance to win the event. It doesn't work quite the same in football because cornerbacks aren't necessarilly designated to particular receivers. However, you can still take away their best corner or two with crappy receivers and use depth to exploit matchups on less capable 3,4 or 5 positioned corners. The point is this... If your #1 guy isn't good enough to beat their #1 corner, who cares who it is. If you invest in depth rather than a #1 guy, you have a strategy to beat most of the teams in the NFL who simply don't have much depth beyond 2-3 corner positions. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: EKnight on April 17, 2012, 12:37:42 pm That makes sense if, and only if, your depth is not full of sub-par players. If your depth is full of crap, it doesn't matter how deep you are. -EK
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Doc-phin on April 17, 2012, 12:51:46 pm That makes sense if, and only if, your depth is not full of sub-par players. If your depth is full of crap, it doesn't matter how deep you are. -EK Correct! So we should really be talking about our depth. The only thing is that it is probably best to talk about it after the draft because most of us are under the impression that we will be drafting a receiver. The good news is we added depth with this receiver, even if it is in the form of pushing Hartline to #2 and we didn't have to spend a draft pick to do it. Thus, this is a good signing (IMO). Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: EKnight on April 17, 2012, 01:04:58 pm I thought the general consensus was to draft a QB/DE/OL, at least in round one. If we could get Blackmon or Floyd, I'd be fine with that. -EK
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Doc-phin on April 17, 2012, 04:21:36 pm I thought the general consensus was to draft a QB/DE/OL, at least in round one. If we could get Blackmon or Floyd, I'd be fine with that. -EK I was talking about later rounds (2nd or 3rd). Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Pappy13 on April 17, 2012, 05:18:55 pm Doc- it's not really even a production problem for me. SOOOOOOOOOO many people pointed at Marshall's off the field issues as a reason to get rid of him, and now Miami signs a guy who was arrested for public intoxication. It's getting a player with all of the downside Marshall had and none of the upside. -EK It was more than just Marshall's off field issues that I had a problem with. He was pretty bad on the field as well at times like when he had hands of stone around the endzone, when he ran out of bounds because.....well I guess he just forgot that there were bounds, when he would get flagged for stupid penalites, when he would punt the ball in practice because he dropped another pass, etc.Then when you're talking off the field problems, it's not your arrest record that I care about, it's more like how you get along with your QB and whether or not you display a confrontational attitude with both your QB and the coaches about how plays are designed to be run, etc. Now I don't know a THING about Naanee, so maybe he does all that stuff too, but just comparing his arrest record with Marshall is not enough. It's not NEARLY enough. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Pappy13 on April 17, 2012, 05:22:49 pm When I played tennis, we had a strategy (although we weren't supposed to use it). It was called, stacking. That's an extremely insightful point. Not many people would make the connection from Tennis to football, I know I certainly didn't, but it's spot on. Well done.Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Phishfan on April 17, 2012, 05:28:07 pm When I played tennis, we had a strategy (although we weren't supposed to use it). It was called, stacking. We have used a similar strategy in pool. Typically we try to go head to head but in a case where our best guy might be missing we will do this. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: MikeO on April 17, 2012, 05:54:22 pm This allows Miami NOT to double-down at WR in the draft. And they can double-down at another position.
It was made crystal clear by the organization today when they announced it that Naanee isn't expected to replace Marshall. He got the vet minimum and will fight for a roster spot. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Brian Fein on April 18, 2012, 01:00:45 am Nannee signed for the vet minimum, Marshall's price tag was 16 million. How can you even compare?
If Nannee catches 3 TD's this season, it was worth it. Cause Marshall set the going rate of receiving TD's at 2.67 million per TD. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: MikeO on April 18, 2012, 06:46:40 pm Nannee signed for the vet minimum, Marshall's price tag was 16 million. How can you even compare? If Nannee catches 3 TD's this season, it was worth it. Cause Marshall set the going rate of receiving TD's at 2.67 million per TD. Currently he is Miami's 3rd or 2nd best WR heading into the draft. I think he will make the team and has an outside chance to actually start depending on injuries in training camp and what happens in the draft. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 19, 2012, 01:08:18 pm Personally I think the best thing to do is have a complete team (53 players) going into the draft.
Then you aren't forced to draft anyone position but can say -- okay what will improve the team more -- this WR or this QB or this tackle, etc. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: EKnight on April 19, 2012, 01:12:56 pm I guess I just look at it differently than most of the rest of you guys. I hear a ton of complaining about getting other team's "cast-off's" at several other positions, but somehow getting this one is OK with you. Seems pretty inconsistant to me. -EK
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 19, 2012, 01:21:49 pm I guess I just look at it differently than most of the rest of you guys. I hear a ton of complaining about getting other team's "cast-off's" at several other positions, but somehow getting this one is OK with you. Seems pretty inconsistant to me. -EK IMHO, picking up someone else's cast offs at min wage and without using a draft pick is a good thing. Worst case the player gets cut at the end of training camp. Best case you get a Wes Welker, Kurt Warner, etc. Trading a pick and/or getting hefty contract price for someone else's cast off is often a bad thing. Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: Brian Fein on April 19, 2012, 01:23:55 pm picking up a cast off for relatively nothing is literally a "nothing to lose" situation. Recall Wes Welker was cut by the Chargers in training camp. Seems like he was a worthwhile pickup.
Title: Re: Fins workout Panthers WR Post by: EKnight on April 19, 2012, 01:26:38 pm Fair enough. I concede. -EK
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