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What do you think?

I dunno what do you think?  Isn't that a rule, to add content when making a thread?

So you first.

I want to hear your opinions before I comment on it.

Given how much adversity Miami has faced with officiating since 2008, I can't really sympathize with them too much

Just saw the OPI and yes, Gronk does push off. 

What are the options for how they were robbed?

New England has no business complaining about a call...ever.

The Patriots have gotten lucky often enough, but clearly they were hit with the bad-luck-stick against the Broncos. They dropped if-not-easy-then-certainly-makeable interceptions, the ball just didn't bounce their way a couple of critical times, and the handful of close calls in the game all went against them... plus the refs missed at least one very critical call:

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/fyodor_/handstotheface.png)

This was on the touchdown pass.

Make-up calls/plays for the NYG game, which NE should have lost about twice?
Works for me.

^^^^

Well there's a difference between the players not being able to execute and bad calls.  Did you think that catch was a bad call, Spider?

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2013/10/whodat_nation_cries_foul_over.html (http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2013/10/whodat_nation_cries_foul_over.html)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/patriots-browns-pass-interference-call_n_4409509.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/patriots-browns-pass-interference-call_n_4409509.html)

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/nfl-says-solder-touchdown-play-was-illegal (http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/nfl-says-solder-touchdown-play-was-illegal)

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/01/12/indianapolis-colts-questionable-officiating-unforced-mistakes-cost-team-from-advancing/ (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/01/12/indianapolis-colts-questionable-officiating-unforced-mistakes-cost-team-from-advancing/)

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/2322/ref-explains-controversial-call-on-dolphins (http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/2322/ref-explains-controversial-call-on-dolphins)

Miami has been fighting bad calls for awhile.

I remember 2009, when it directly cost them two games against the Saints and Titans.

2010 with the PI call against the Jets and the fumble with the Steelers.

The only thing New England has been robbed of is their dignity. I've never seen such a whining bunch of athletes and 'fans' than this bunch. Tom Brady has really lost a lot of my respect in the past few days. They blew a 14 point fourth quarter lead and had a chance twice to seal that game. The first time when Hillman coughed it up and they didn't recover and the second on their special teams debacle. Any calls they claim were missed are irrelevant. As with every game the missed call went both ways. I know it's deflating...

Did the Broncos get any calls in that game?

I was wondering if Hoodie would post here.

Here were the calls

1) OPI on Gronk that negated a first down.

2) Holding on Chung that negated a sack

3) Hands to face is shown in that picture there on the touchdown.

4) The clock running on the Patriots last drive in regulation

5) The uncalled pass interference on the Patriots first drive in overtime.

I think the verdict is:  Patriots were robbed.

I am a Dolphins fan, but I can be objective.

Looking at this again, I'm not sure the fix was not in. 

Hey the troll is back.

What? There's a pretty significant difference between close calls (or no-calls) that went against you and just not knowing the rules. The refs got it absolutely right. The clock was started as it was supposed to be. Is the rulebook way too complicated? Sure, but that's a different matter.

I disagreed with some of the calls but something has to be as egregious as the whistle that stopped the Gronk TD in the Bills game for me to actually complain. 

oh boo-frickin-hoo, the team with the golden horseshoe up its ass got a few unlucky bounces.  Was there a bad call that allowed CJ Anderson to run 60 yards in overtime?

The Patriots have zero ground to complain about bad calls, and no one in the national media is saying anything of the sort.

Pats get plenty of bad calls... most of the time they overcome them.

Bingo.

Yes, you are. Welcome back!

Look, I'm calling conspiracy.

I don't think I've ever seen a game like that where the refs deliberately tried to push one team for a victory so much.

Even if the clock was run properly, what about the other calls?

Referees should not make bad calls just because one team gets lucky breaks (for example, bounces).

I am here to speak the truth, even if I dislike it.

Look, I hate the Patriots as much as anybody else does, but they got robbed there.

Hopefully, they lose another game later in the season without that kind of stuff.

So are you saying that if a team gets a lucky bounce the ref should make a bad call against them to even things out?

4) The clock running on the Patriots last drive in regulation

That was the best one of the night, fucking hilarious.

what?  How did you twist my statement to what you asked?  I'd love to ride on that train of thought.

You sure?  I encourage you to rewind your NFL highlight reel to Giants vs Patriots a few weeks ago and reconsider your statement.

No one else is claiming they got robbed.  Not one, other than you.  I don't understand why you keep saying that.

^ Because he's a closet Pats fan.

Everybody here hates the Patriots, Brian.  This includes me.  But I don't let my emotions get in the way of my objectivity.

I did what you said.  I watched the highlight reel and there was one call in that game.  It may have been correct.  It literally could have done either way.  I thought it was a touchdown, but the NFL said it was not.

The Patriots Broncos featured four bad calls that all went one teams way in the last half quarter and overtime.  I have not heard anybody post anything to say those calls were correct.  Hopefully somebody can do that so I can change my statement.  Instead, all anybody is posting here is about how the Patriots deserved those bad calls because they are lucky with things unrelated to officiating.  

I live in NE.  I hate the Patriots probably more than anybody on this board.  I resent that Miami has to play them twice every year and has to be in the same division with them because it's not fair.  It makes Miami's chances to make the playoffs much less.

I resent Brady's credit for the first three Superbowls, which he was more like Troy Aikman. 

I resent how teams just roll over and play dead for them and hand them gift win after gift win.

I am here to be objective.  I am here to tell it how it is.

Right now, I am suspecting a conspiracy.

Why else would they suspend somebody for four games for such a minor infraction as deflating footballs?

Why else would the refs literally hand the game to the Broncos?

I am the only here who is presenting facts to support my case.  The rest of you are just talking. 

^ Holy shit you are clueless.

You're talking out both sides of your mouth.  You say you hate them, then come up with ridiculous reasons to defend them.  Deflating footballs is not a minor infraction, it's cheating.  The refs didn't hand the game over to the Broncos, that's you being paranoid.  You present NO FACTS, just speculation and theories. 

After a google search, I found 2 people who said there was something fishy.  That was on PAGE 3 of my google results.  Skip Bayless and Steven A. Smith, and both of them are about as clueless as you.

So if this happened to the Dolphins, you would all be okay with it?

You mean if our QB was a blatant cheater and they tried to suspend him?  Yes, I would be fine with that.

The Dolphins have been screwed a bunch of times, most recently in the Buffalo game.  Taylor's TD pass to Watkins should never have happened bc of the blatant hold on Suh that wasn't called (you know it's bad when even the announcers say how horrible the no call was), and also their "fumble" out of the end zone that wasn't called a touchback.  Is it fair?  No.  Is it a conspiracy?  You would have to be a nut job to think so.

if the league was out to screw the PAtriots, Odell Beckham's not-catch catch would have been a TD.  You're accusations are unfounded.

Bad calls happen in every game.  Conspiracy theory is ridiculous.  Show me how the running clock that you consider a "Bad call" was against the rules.  please cite specific text from the NFL rule book that was incorrectly implemented.

I just saw the holding call on Chung, and I nearly fell out of my chair.

Happened again today.

The refs robbed NE on that coin toss.

Jesus. I'm sorry your favorite team lost, but they clearly said they wanted to kickoff. I don't understand how getting what you asked for is getting screwed. 

Will have to look at it again, but it seemed like the ref decided for them.

I AM NOT A PATRIOTS FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM AN OBJECTIVE MIAMI DOLPHINS FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Belichick said after the game that he wanted to kick. What's the problem? (other than it being a strange decision in the first place)

I retract my statement.  The correct ruling was made. 

It was a head scratching decision but that's what BB wanted.

Actually I like the mindset. BB felt he couldn't drive 80 yards to score with his offense so beat up so he played hoping his defense could help him with field position and would only need a FG to win. You have to like a guy who is thinking things through and willing to go against the norm ... although it didn't pan out in this situation.

The problem is that the Patriots' captain was not properly coached (!!) on how to respond to the referee's question after the coin toss.

When you win a coin toss, you have the option to choose to kick or receive, choose which goal to defend, or defer your choice until the second half.  Since there is no second half in regular-season OT, deferring is pointless.  So you should be choosing to receive, or choosing which goal to defend.  But instead of picking a goal to defend, the NE captain was baited by the referee's leading question of "Do you want to kick?" (which NE did), and he chose to kick instead of choosing a goal and letting NYJ choose to kick or receive.

However, if you think this outcome was bad, Belichick should be glad this didn't happen at the start of the game.  If that had happened at the opening coin toss, the result would have been that NE chose to kick, NYJ receives the ball and picks a goal, and then at the start of the second half, NYJ chooses to receive AGAIN (because NE used their first-half choice to kick the ball) and NE picks a goal to defend.

So NE actually came out pretty damn good, relative to how bad the outcome could have been on that kind of mistake.

Spider the flaw in your analysis is there was no mistake.   BB instructions were to elect to kick.  There was no wind, Bb didn't care which goal he defended.  He didn't want to choose the side and then have the jets choose to kick.  The only error was Slater did think the Patriots would be able to choose sides, but that is  a tiny misunderstanding.   

Denial...it's not just a river in Egypt.

I thought they changed that rule?  Wasn't it Detroit who kicked off twice?

When Marty Mornhinweg was the coach of the Lions, he chose a goal to defend instead of choosing to receive (this was back when first FG still won OT).  I believe there were 20+MPH winds blowing at the time.

As far as a rule change, there really isn't anything to change.  The only way you'll kick off twice (provided your captains are properly coached) is if you truly do value choosing a goal to defend more than you value receiving the ball.