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Apple is pushing wireless headphones or one that charges through lightning-wire.  People seem to be flipping out about this online.

But Apple has been doing this for a long, long time.  They anticipate technology on the way out and then exclude it for whatever reason (cost, size, battery, aesthetics, waterproofing, to push a new system, etc).  They started shipping laptops without a CD drive and people lost it.  Meanwhile, I can't think of the last time I put a CD into anything.

I am not an early adopter, traditionally, and get a new phone about every 3 years.  And I do admit that I am kinda attached to using a standard pair of headphones.  But I am not dug in that hard that I think there's no other way to do it.

I'm confounded by the no-headphone jack outrage myself,though I never use them...

I can see how this could take  a bite out of the "swipe your credit cards,on the phone devices"

On a personal note...Mario,and Luigi both delivering me an Iphone7 wouldn't make buy one.  :D No Apple crap for me...

Belkin is already shipping a small dongle that plugs into the lightning connector and allows charging + headphone use.

I wonder what percentage of users EVER use the headphone jack on their phone. We're at 33% in my household. I suspect there's a pretty strong age bias (with the younger crowd using the headphone jack more). My WAG would be that the majority never, ever use it.

Yes, Apple likes to push their own standards.  Bluetooth has existed for many years, so if you wanted wireless headphones, you would likely already have them... but for those who want wired headphones, looks like you get to buy Lightning-connector headphones that work exclusively with Apple products, or do without.  Yet another instance of market lock-in by Apple.

If Apple had a USB 3.1 connector on the iPhone, I would view this more charitably (similarly to Apple putting one solitary USB 3.1 port on the new MacBooks).  But as is, I think it's a naked attempt at trying to get a market advantage by locking your customers in to Apple-only accessories.

How am I gonna play my tunes from my phone over my car's speakers?  >:( Guess I'm getting the dongle, but then I can't charge my phone at the same time. Apple just assumes every car has Bluetooth? Actually I won't be getting the iPhone 7 anytime soon, I'll probably upgrade my car to one with Bluetooth before I get the iPhone 7.

I don't have an iPhone but I work in an office and in order to listen to music, you need head phones/earbuds. This was a dumbass move by Apple but their fans will switch to those weird looking bluetooth earbuds they come out with.

Apparently, Apple includes a dongle with the iPhone 7 that allows you to plug in standard headphones.  Of course, you wouldn't be able to charge the phone while doing so, as the phone only has one lightning port.  To charge and listen to headphones at the same time, you'll need this $40 adapter (http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F8J198/) that is made for Apple by Belkin, and will be sold in all Apple stores.

People who use the headphone jack AT ALL...

Of those, how many use the jack while the phone is charging? I'm going to guess not a lot. The 33% of my household dropped to zero and a quick query 'round the office produced the same result.

Much ado about nothing.

It's entirely possible that you're right, but when I think of "the benefits of new technology," a list of the features I already have now but can probably do without is not the first thing that springs to mind.

I'm sure the screen is still huge, though.

I would be all the time in my car, but again I'll probably upgrade my car to Bluetooth before I upgrade to an i7.

Pass the aux cord fam

I plug my phone into the aux port in my car while charging every day.  Now they want to add easy to lose, expensive to replace, and short battery life headphones.  Plus, they want me to buy an another piece to use my comfortable headphones.  I'm glad I don't have to replace my phone any time soon.  My wife wants to switch to a non-iPhone anyway, so it looks like that's going to happen. I'm

I use the jack but like has been pointed out, the technology is the oldest and most space consuming. I expect all manufacturers will move away from it on all devices

If this is your standard setup, why not just leave the adapter with your two cables plugged in? I assume both live in the car (I know mine do) and if they don't, maybe they should?

I don't see this as a huge issue. If you want the phone you have to upgrade and if you don't want it then you can keep what you have. Recent history has shown that technology changes rapidly and in no time everyone will have bluetooth or wifi headphones/earphones and no one will think twice about.

I'm old, I consider myself high tech for even having headphones on at the gym.  Blue tooth completely evades me.   ;D

Samsung seems to be making the move as well.

Don't rush me, I only upgraded from a flip phone 2 years ago.   ;)

I think that if you're the kind of person that plans on regularly listening to wired headphones while charging, that this probably isn't the best phone for you.  I'm considering moving towards bluetooth headphones with my next set, but I don't think I'll go with just the pods.  I want something that connects the two, so I don't lose them.

^ All the bluetooth headphones I've tried have produced lousy audio. Granted, it's been a few years and there are probably exceptions somewhere.

When Beats is pricing their headphones at $300, I expect they have a pretty good quality but I haven't tried them.

Apple didn't do this to be ground breaking or revolutionary.  They did it for convenience.

The audio jack typically requires 7.5mm of thickness to implement in a device.  The iPhone7 is 7mm thick.  So, in order to incorporate it in the package, they would have had to make compromises:
- have a bump-out for the jack and jack interface similar to what you currently see in the camera area of most thin devices
- re-design the barrel and support structure and potentially risk reliability in accessory drop condition or potential disconnect issues, causing customer dissatisfiers.

In its arrogance, Apple assumed people would evolve into not needing it, and provided an option to use it for those who didn't.  Its a compromise with the users - you want a thin phone, you have to give something up.  BlackBerry considered removing it in Priv, a device with a similar thickness, but we were able to develop a concept to make it work.

Eventually, all headphones will be bluetooth.  Now is not that time, but moves like this will accelerate that initiative.

Could be a fair number.  Folks who like to charge their phone while driving (and listening to music) and folks who like to fall asleep while listening to music (and who charge their phone overnight).

Incorrect.  The iPhone 6s (7.1mm) and 6s+ (7.3mm) are exactly the same thickness (http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/) as the 7 and 7+, yet the former have headphone jacks.

It's just Apple being Apple. They'll make changes and people will buy them. Audiophiles will more than likely have issues with the quality from a set of bluetooth earbuds.

^^^ I doubt it. Audiophiles will have decent earphones, not just standard buds. People who think they are an audiophile will have issues with the quality of the cheap earbuds though.

I don't care what they price out at. Beats suck donkey balls. I mean they're better than generic units. But overall for the money there are much better headphones out there. Throw a rappers name on them, make the box pretty, and all the kids and posers will buy them and brag about their Dr. Dre Beats. Typical marketing bullshit. Happens a lot with guitars and amps too. Gotta laugh at people who severely overpay for barely mediocre products, haha

^^^ I've never used them so I don't know, I just knew they were popular. You can substitute Beats with another company and the statement will read the same.

I try not to lose my shit over stuff like Beats.  I think of it as jewelry.  It's a tech product, but it's also a wearable status symbol.  People overpay for similar watches, sunglasses, etc. all the time. 

I'm not gonna buy Beats, because I don't care, personally, but I don't begrudge anyone that does.

I'll agree to a point. However, usually when you pay a premium for a watch like a Omega or Rolex, you're getting premium quality in most cases. Beats is a whole different beast though. Kind of like those $40 gold plated Monster brand HDMI cables that works no better than a $4 HDMI from monoprice. Like they say, an fool and his money are soon parted, haha. Anyhow, back to topic......

Beats, while overpriced, are significantly better audio quality than any other headphones I had tried...my nephew has a pair and I was surprised how good the audio was.

LOL, no comment......

What?  I'm not saying I'd spend money on a pair, I think it's a waste of money.  Just saying, even with all the marketing hype, they're pretty good.

No, you are paying for jewelry.  A $50,000 Rolex watch is going to tell you the time with virtually identical accuracy as a $50 Casio watch (in some cases, worse).

Of course it's jewelry silly guy. Yes, and a Lexus is going to get you there at the same time as the a POS Chevy Aveo. You're missing the point. The quality of the two are not the same. Just like a Rolex has much higher quality than the Casio. The problem with Beats is that they charge the price of a premium brand and don't have the performance to justify the price. The point is that for the same price you can do better much than Beats, and for much less you can have the equivalent of Beats. Leave it to Spider to argue about a point that I wasn't even making, haha. Move along sir!!

Maybe you are evaluating some facet of performance of a watch that I am unaware of.  I'm looking at their ability to accurately tell me the time, in which case it seems unlikely that a Rolex will do so better than a Casio that automatically and regularly synchronizes to an atomic time standard (http://www.target.com/p/men-s-casio-atomic-timekeeping-watch-black-wv200a-1av/-/A-12613651).  In contrast, Beats headphones can measurably have a better sound response range than a pair of $20 Wal-mart headphones, so at least you're getting something for your money.

Now, you can make the argument that it's possible to get the same performance as Beats at a lower price, and that's fine and true.  But it makes no sense to get on a soapbox complaining about Beats and then turn around and say that it's different when Rolex does it.  Rolex is everything you profess to hate about Beats, only magnified many times: people buying overpriced "premium" products because they want to be seen with a brand.

Which is a timely and relevant observation in a thread about iPhones.

OK

I saw a video where you can drill your own headphone jack in the 7.  That looked legit.