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Title: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: dolphins4life on March 02, 2021, 05:02:46 pm
Are we nearing the end of the pandemic?  I still wonder what it's going to be like going back to normal.  Florida had it's Super Bowl celebration maskless, and no spikes were reported.



Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Dave Gray on March 03, 2021, 08:02:05 am
It will wind down slowly.  We likely have a few months still ahead.

Lifting the mandate is a bad call, IMO.  Whatever....didn't sound like there was full compliance there anyway.  I don't really understand the point of removing the mandate for places like grocery stores -- I get it for restaurants and stuff, maybe.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't feel comfortable being in Publix without having a mask on if other people are there, mandate or not.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Fau Teixeira on March 03, 2021, 09:30:47 am
It will wind down slowly.  We likely have a few months still ahead.

Lifting the mandate is a bad call, IMO.  Whatever....didn't sound like there was full compliance there anyway.  I don't really understand the point of removing the mandate for places like grocery stores -- I get it for restaurants and stuff, maybe.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't feel comfortable being in Publix without having a mask on if other people are there, mandate or not.

it's a stupid nothing gesture.. companies will still require masks and those that don't .. will see people avoiding them. I know i will.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Dave Gray on March 03, 2021, 09:46:00 am
it's a stupid nothing gesture.. companies will still require masks and those that don't .. will see people avoiding them. I know i will.

I heard today that HEB (The big grocery store there) will not require them.  If that's true, that would be bad...we're so close to the end here that I'm just worrying about what happens here.  If Desantis lifts stuff like grocery store masking, I would be pretty bothered by that.  There just isn't a benefit to is, is my main thing.  It introduces more (maybe not a ton more, but some more) risk and there's no reward.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Brian Fein on March 03, 2021, 09:49:26 am
The "reward" is "freedom"  ::)


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 03, 2021, 02:23:59 pm
Just dumb.  There is an economic trade off between shutting things down or greatly limiting capacity.  There is nothing to be gained by lifting mask requirements.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 03, 2021, 03:14:52 pm
Currently none of these states require masks.

Alaska
Arizona
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Iowa
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas

Massachusetts has lifted all restaurant capacity limits, South Carolina erased limits on gatherings and North Carolina allowed people back inside bars for the first time.

I realize no one here will agree but it seems to me people are realizing that shutting down didn't make much of a difference compared to not shutting down. The situation sucks for sure but not living doesn't help as suicide and kids harming themselves are over the top.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 03, 2021, 03:31:12 pm
Currently none of these states require masks.

Alaska
Arizona
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Iowa
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas

Massachusetts has lifted all restaurant capacity limits, South Carolina erased limits on gatherings and North Carolina allowed people back inside bars for the first time.

I realize no one here will agree but it seems to me people are realizing that shutting down didn't make much of a difference compared to not shutting down. The situation sucks for sure but not living doesn't help as suicide and kids harming themselves are over the top.

There is an economic trade off on lifting restaurant capacity and Mass has vaccinated everyone over 75 who was willing to be vaccinated. 

Capacity should increase, things open etc BEFORE mask mandates are lifted.  Lifting mask mandates should be the absolute last thing done.  E.g. there should be a period with schools returning to 100% in person learning even though 6 feet can’t be maintained WITH masks.  Full stadiums WITH masks.  Movie theaters WITH masks.

Masks allow all else to be possible.  Getting rid of mask mandates will force future shut downs.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Pappy13 on March 03, 2021, 05:54:33 pm
Some places are saying they will still require them as store policy like Target but I imagine they won't really enforce it that hard. They were enforcing the policy pretty well, I tried on accident to enter a Target near our house without a mask and they made me turn around and go get one. I wonder if they will still turn people away if they don't have one. They would have to have someone there watching that. Got a feeling that will go by the wayside.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Spider-Dan on March 03, 2021, 08:50:51 pm
I realize no one here will agree but it seems to me people are realizing that shutting down didn't make much of a difference compared to not shutting down.
The US has far more COVID deaths than any other western democracy.
(I know you don't trust the numbers coming out of certain undemocratic countries.)

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The situation sucks for sure but not living doesn't help as suicide and kids harming themselves are over the top.
Do you have any statistics on an increase of the number of suicides or self-injuries over the last year?
I'm interested to see what kind of number you believe warrants significant action.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 03, 2021, 08:52:04 pm
Some places are saying they will still require them as store policy like Target but I imagine they won't really enforce it that hard. They were enforcing the policy pretty well, I tried on accident to enter a Target near our house and they made me turn around and go get one. I wonder if they will still turn people away if they don't have one. They would have to have someone there watching that. Got a feeling that will go by the wayside.
Some restaurants are following corporate rule in Florida too. Sonny's bar-b-que is still doing every other table and no salad bar. Consequently I went to a Golden Corral Buffet and people were packed to the gills. You have to wear a disposable blue glove on your serving hand each time and wear masks when walking around but it's still the same ole hog chow lines. Well ... that is except for the chocolate fountain which they have not brought back.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 03, 2021, 08:53:28 pm
The US has far more COVID deaths than any other western democracy.
(I know you don't trust the numbers coming out of certain countries.)
Beyond that I don't really trust anything that has politics attached to it and unfortunately everything has become political. It's always going to be smeared left or right depending on who is presenting it.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 04, 2021, 12:39:50 pm
Republican governors are easing up mask requirements for one reason and only one reason:  They NEED move people to die of covid under the Biden administration than under the Trump administration to win in 2022.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 04, 2021, 01:51:39 pm
Republican governors are easing up mask requirements for one reason and only one reason:  They NEED move people to die of covid under the Biden administration than under the Trump administration to win in 2022.
Probably one of the most ignorant and downright stupid comments I've ever seen on here.  Bravo.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 04, 2021, 01:52:11 pm
No; the cases (and deaths) are going back up. 
Everything I've seen shows it going down.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 04, 2021, 04:38:33 pm
Republican governors are easing up mask requirements for one reason and only one reason:  They NEED move people to die of covid under the Biden administration than under the Trump administration to win in 2022.
This comment says a lot about you. You are literally the left version of buffalo head who stormed the white house and blamed Trump for telling him to. You believe everything your talking heads tells you to think.

I haven't seen anything saying it was going back up. The talk I've seen in recent days is pointing to obese countries as having the highest death rates which would explain the issues here in the US.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: stinkfish on March 04, 2021, 04:42:12 pm
Everything I've seen shows it going down.
I only know about Massachusetts, and we've had a little bit of a jump up in cases this week.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 04, 2021, 04:44:30 pm
I only know about Massachusetts, and we've had a little bit of a jump up in cases this week.
Florida peaked the beginning of January and has steadily declined since.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: dolphins4life on March 04, 2021, 04:57:11 pm
I only know about Massachusetts, and we've had a little bit of a jump up in cases this week.

Serious cases?  Hospitalizations?


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: stinkfish on March 04, 2021, 04:58:24 pm
Don't think so. Just an increase in positive cases.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Dave Gray on March 04, 2021, 05:04:43 pm
Florida peaked the beginning of January and has steadily declined since.

Sorta.

Cases have been down....deaths lagged, but are also down -- however, it seems like that has stalled and we've kinda plateaued.

Anecdotally, I know several people who have gotten the vaccine and several others that are signed up to get it this week.  Things seems to be heading in the right direction, at least in my little circle.  I think Desantis opening up to all teachers and everyone with conditions was the right call.  They are not really checking, so people that are vulnerable or really trying to get the vaccine pretty much can, if they're in the know.

Eventually, we're going to have to get old people who don't know what they're doing, to get signed up -- the single dose will help with that.  Doctors offices can just have a few doses on hand for people that come in for any reason.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 04, 2021, 05:06:58 pm
I was just reading an article on DM and saw this


Hospitalizations from COVID-19 are dropping across the United States at an average of two percent a day as 66,836 new cases were reported nationwide on Wednesday.

According to data from the COVID Tracking Project, the number of people currently hospitalized with COVID-19 in the U.S. has dropped dramatically since the start of the year, reaching 45,462 on Wednesday.

The number has fallen for eight consecutive weeks from January 10 onward, after rising to record highs in December.



Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Spider-Dan on March 04, 2021, 10:06:46 pm
This comment says a lot about you. You are literally the left version of buffalo head who stormed the white house and blamed Trump for telling him to.
Wait... do you believe that the capitol invasion was a violent riot now?  That's definitely a change from before:

First off it's funny that the truth is now coming out that dozens of Capitol police have either been suspended or under investigation for fraternizing with protestors. In fact we've seen videos of some police waving them in and or taking selfies. Not quite the dangerous rioting portrayed by the media. Go figure.

In any case, I haven't seen Hoodie trying to violently overthrow our seat of government, so I don't think he's quite "literally the left version" of people who did.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Dave Gray on March 05, 2021, 07:23:35 am
I heard today on NPR that vaccines are happing at 30:1 at new reported cases.

This is the turn...we just gotta ride it out like a month or two.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: pondwater on March 05, 2021, 07:42:06 am
Wait... do you believe that the capitol invasion was a violent riot now?  That's definitely a change from before:

In any case, I haven't seen Hoodie trying to violently overthrow our seat of government, so I don't think he's quite "literally the left version" of people who did.
The real question is, do you believe that the capital invasion was a violent riot?


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Fau Teixeira on March 05, 2021, 08:55:00 am
The real question is, do you believe that the capital invasion was a violent riot?

The real question is whether the capitol police officers were killed by a hoax and imagination. or Maybe they were killed in a non-violent peaceful way.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Sunstroke on March 05, 2021, 09:14:12 am
The real question is, do you believe that the capital invasion was a violent riot?

Which makes the "actual" really-real question... Which of the 138+ law enforcement officials injured during the riot insurrection were hurt by "non-violent" actions?

Please present your answer in numeric form only.

Thanks...you're a peach!




Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 05, 2021, 09:25:57 am
I saw that the union said over 140 officers were injured. I don't know exactly what that means as even a papercut counts as injury but either way ... anyone who attacks police officers or basically anyone protecting the Capital is a piece of crap and deserves jail time. Outside of a few instances I think many of the injuries were a by product accident of being in the way and not a direct attack on officers. The average Trump supporter is a big supporter of the police. Just as I don't think many Democrats approve of 9 month abortions I don't think these idiots represent the typical Trump voter. It's a very small portion or extremists idiots who are looking for a reason to be stupid ... just like the BLM rioters.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Sunstroke on March 05, 2021, 09:36:44 am
I saw that the union said over 140 officers were injured. I don't know exactly what that means as even a papercut counts as injury...

LOL!!  OK, Einstein...how many of those 140+ injuries do you "really" think was due to a paper cut?  Hint: If your answer is anything other than "zero," then I vigorously take back the "Einstein" label.

Outside of a few instances I think many of the injuries were a by product accident of being in the way...

True that...many officers were simply in the way...of the lead pipe or stick being swung at their head.



Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: CF DolFan on March 05, 2021, 09:39:37 am
^^^^ You crack me up ... and I mean that literally.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Fau Teixeira on March 05, 2021, 09:44:19 am
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I don't think these idiots represent the typical Trump voter.

I think they represent the peak Trump supporter .. many of them didn't even vote in the election.  Just like i think Westboro baptist represents the peak evangelical.

Not the average or the majority. But when it comes to cults, the majority of the people water down the message to make it more socially acceptable.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Sunstroke on March 05, 2021, 09:59:29 am
^^^^ You crack me up ... and I mean that literally.

Right back at ya, Mr. Peaceful Papercut... ;)





Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: pondwater on March 05, 2021, 10:56:13 am
The real question is whether the capitol police officers were killed by a hoax and imagination. or Maybe they were killed in a non-violent peaceful way.
??? Was that a yes or no?

Which makes the "actual" really-real question... Which of the 138+ law enforcement officials injured during the riot insurrection were hurt by "non-violent" actions?

Please present your answer in numeric form only.

Thanks...you're a peach!
Again, a simple "yes or no" question is asked and yet no simple "yes or no" answers were provided. Just avoidance and passive aggressive posturing. Go find your safe space, pop a Xanax, and take a nap. 


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Fau Teixeira on March 05, 2021, 11:28:02 am
??? Was that a yes or no?

Your question was serious?

Do I think the violent riot was a violent riot?

Yes, the violent riot was in fact a violent riot.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Spider-Dan on March 05, 2021, 11:53:14 am
Outside of a few instances I think many of the injuries were a by product accident of being in the way and not a direct attack on officers.
The party of law and order is now resorting to "Well if the cops weren't trying to stop me from robbing the bank, I wouldn't have had to shoot them" style arguments. Look what you made me do!

There is no limit to the amount of dignity you will sacrifice to Trump and his followers.  He has thoroughly debased you, and destroyed your values in a way no communist ever could.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Sunstroke on March 05, 2021, 12:36:14 pm
??? Was that a yes or no?
Again, a simple "yes or no" question is asked and yet no simple "yes or no" answers were provided. Just avoidance and passive aggressive posturing. Go find your safe space, pop a Xanax, and take a nap. 

My answer was plain enough (YES) that your average 4 year old could figure it out. I'll try being more clear for you as compensation.

You, on the other hand, flat-out avoided my question. Trying to pass CF on the Hypocrisy Leaderboard or something?

But, to clearly and plainly address your other insults...

* I don't do Xanax...or any drugs beyond your basic marijuana.
* My safe space is the planet Earth
* I don't nap...and only really need 3-4 hours of sleep per night.



Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: dolphins4life on March 05, 2021, 12:43:18 pm
I can function on 1-2 hours sleep, but it is NOT fun


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 05, 2021, 01:04:41 pm
Jeez you guys sound like a bunch of grumpy old men.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Sunstroke on March 05, 2021, 01:22:59 pm
Jeez you guys sound like a bunch of grumpy old men.

I thought the same thing, though I think I actually sound more like a grumpy old man who is trying to explain that water is wet (or violence is violent) to a young child with attention issues.



Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: dolphins4life on April 26, 2021, 03:37:42 pm
Texas seems fine.  Is it time to end all restrictions nationwide?  Florida did not have a spike after the super bowl parade


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Dave Gray on April 26, 2021, 04:35:47 pm
Florida is experiencing a general uptrend in new cases right now.  It's slight, but they're going up, not down, despite vaccines being administered. 


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: dolphins4life on April 26, 2021, 04:53:29 pm
Only hospitalizations and fatalities matter   Positive test numbers are misleading


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 26, 2021, 05:50:47 pm
Positive cases can still tell you whether you are controlling the spread.  They are also harder to massage than "cause of death," which is relevant when talking about a state administration that has a whistleblower complaint related to manipulating COVID death stats.


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: dolphins4life on April 26, 2021, 06:43:40 pm
Positive cases can still tell you whether you are controlling the spread.  They are also harder to massage than "cause of death," which is relevant when talking about a state administration that has a whistleblower complaint related to manipulating COVID death stats.
  Don't get what massage means in this context. 


Title: Re: Texas ends mask mandate
Post by: Phishfan on April 27, 2021, 01:00:36 am
  Don't get what massage means in this context. 

Manipulated