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Statues, flags, food logos/names, books, movies, etc. Name one time in history when the "good guys" were the ones trying to erase history. Heck ... even the use of Nazi symbols is legal in Israel. Seems pretty over the top to ban things because a small group of people are offended unless you have other agendas.

I think you're conflating banning with being held accountable.  Nobody is banning you from using a swastika if you want to.

Pretending that everything is cancel culture is the latest fake outrage of the right.

What did our government ban exactly?
I must have missed it.
Oh .. that's right .. absolutely nothing.

The only people doing the banning are the culture warriors on the right .. that called up special sessions of legislators to ban people from going to a specific bathroom.

No, books are being pulled and being "banned" in their districts for being racist or whatever. It's fine when Michelle Obama reads Dr Seuss to kids but now it's a racist series of books so we need to not only stop reading them but stop the publisher from making them. Statues, school names are being banned as well. People are allowed to illegally destroy statues as a result.  No one is being held accountable they are just taking options out of the choices. Pretending it isn't happening just because there are no laws on the books doesn't make it right.

Not sure where using "science" as a reason to use the bathroom is banning history but then again I usually don't understand where you are coming from. Transgenderism is a mental illness that does not change someone's physical DNA no matter how much they want it to. To pretend otherwise is just silly.

It isn't a "racist series of books," it is a great series of books that had 3-4 books with racial undertones. THOSE books and those alone are being removed from schools, and...btw, Michelle Obama didn't read any of the books with racist undertones. Nice try though...

School names, statues...no.

Perhaps the term "banned" is where you're tripping yourself up...

I haven't even seen where they were removed from schools .. one school district for national reading day (which was yesterday) .. (which also coincides with dr. seuss's birthday) decided that they weren't going to emphasize or link those two things together.  I didn't read about any books being removed or banned or anything.

As far as transgenderism being a mental illness, It is not.  Non binary sexual expression and identity is found in nature, and has biologic imperative in nature.

I appreciate you don't get where i come from, all you have to do is ask for clarification and i'm more than willing to tell you.

Also what does it matter what bathroom you go to .. everyone's gotta shit .. they should all be unisex and be done with this gendered bathroom crap to begin with.

The publisher of Dr. Seuss decided to stop publishing them.  These are books I've never even heard of.  This is a non-story.

That isn't banning.  People can choose to have or not have things.  Companies can choose to sell or not sell things.

Go read those 4 Dr. Seuss books all you want.  Nobody is stopping you.

Hell CF, you might as well get used to it. After seeing the news conspiracy theory about the supposed "Nazi" stage at the CPAC, it made me realize that these type of people will complain about anything. These days I don't care anymore. They can say and think what they want. Just like I can say and think what I want. As long as someone doesn't put their hands on me it's all good. However, the second someone physically attempts to enforce some sort of "consequences" for words that hurt their feelings. They gonna have the worst day of their life. No words justify violence or physically assaulting someone. Life and let live and stay the fuck outta my face. Pretty simple

Transgenderism and homosexuality is an anomaly and abnormal behavior. But please proceed about how if you're born a male that you can magically become a female and vice versa ???

I'm pretty much on board with that.  I think most people are.  There are exceptions, but most of us want other people out of our business.

I don't see many Union Jacks in the Thirteen Colonies any more, nor do I see any statues of King George hanging around.

Do you know where the use of Nazi symbols is NOT legal?
Germany.

Do you know who made it illegal?
The Allies, after they conquered Germany.
Talk about erasing history!

edit:  Let's be clear about what this thread is about.  We're not talking about any sort of government ban.  What we are talking about is one of the following:

1) an individual person or private organization decides to stop using a certain piece of content
2) a government organization decides to stop celebrating a particular historical figure or event

And conservatives are furious.  They are absolutely OUTRAGED that other people are choosing a path that they disagree with.  There is no conservative anywhere that is being prevented from celebrating their beloved Confederacy every day of the year.  But if the government stops issuing Confederate license plates, they think it's a heinous attack on their beliefs.  (It never occurs to them that others can't buy a license plate with the Union Jack on it, or the flag of Spain, or any other country America defeated.)

You say that, but I'm not so sure you really agree with it.

Hypothetical situation. So if Person A calls Person B a racist name. Person B gets mad and tries to beat the shit out of Person A because their feelings were hurt. Then Person A shoots and kills Person B because they're being physically attacked. I'm convinced that the liberal majority here would be calling for Person A to be arrested and given life or the death sentence. 

You say that, but I'm not so sure you really agree with it.

Hypothetical situation: suppose a person silently kneels in protest during the national anthem.  I'm convinced that the conservatives here would be calling for that person to be fired for ramming liberal politics down their throat.

One more thing:
I don't think this would qualify as "stay the fuck outta my face," so your given hypothetical violates your own rules.

So instead of addressing my scenario, you reply with another scenario, LMFAO.

Anyhow, to address your scenario. That person is free to kneel and express his politics as he pleases. However, if the person is at his place of employment. And his employer doesn't agree with his behavior then yes they are free to fire him. Now in the situation of professional sports. The fans are the consumer of the product and generate a good portion of the revenue for the teams and league. So if 50 million Joe Redneck's tune in to watch a sport for entertainment purposes and don't want to see political shit they disagree with. Of course they are going to call for him to be fired. Follow the money. I doubt that you're going to have many people complaining if these people push their agenda on "their own time".

The same way if I go to Burger King to order a Whopper and the guy behind the counter starts trying to push some Jehovah's Witness or AMWAY shit down my throat. Just give me my burger and shut the fuck up before I call for you to be fired. Same with your scenario, just play your child's game and entertain me. The consumer is there for a product or service. Not for some roided up idiots opinions and social agenda.
 
If these people were so gung ho on protesting they would do it on their own time and on their own dime. The vast majority don't and won't. Again follow the money.

Sure it could. It could be from across the street, across a parking lot, or in line for a Popeye's chicken sandwich socially distanced with 6 ft between everyone in line. You're deflecting again...

Well, in your scenario, it's not live and let live.  If someone is verbally attacking you, they're not really leaving you alone.

I also don't agree with escalating that to physically assaulting that person.
I also don't agree with escalating that to deadly force, either.

The two keywords of this post are highlighted. The fact that you are convinced of something, doesn't make that something true, real or accurate.

My liberal preference would be a manslaughter charge, with sentencing above or below the standard based on Person A and Person B's historical predilection for violent conflicts.

That was the most extreme case. Maybe person A was saying racist things not directed at any one person in particular. Maybe they were wearing a Trump hat. Maybe they were pro choice/pro life. Maybe they were wearing a swastika shirt. These days people get attacked for all sorts of stupid shit.

I would agree with you.
So if someone attacked you for because their feelings were hurt and they were on top of you beating the shit out of you. You wouldn't escalate that to deadly force. You would just let them beat you to death?

Why would someone be charged with anything for defending themselves if they're physically attacked?

Because his liberal preference would be to not condone escalation of violence to a deadly level based on a simple physical altercation.  Where your preference seems to be that if they punch you in the nose you're then justified in killing them as they walk away.

They don't have to get killed, but if they punch me in the nose they aren't just walking away. They may get carted away, eat baby food, and wear diapers for the rest of their life. I think the overall point is that there is no moral or legal justification to physically assault someone based on what they say or believe.

I'm not a badass by any means. However, if someone physically assaults me, it will get very violent, very quickly. I may not win, but I will attempt to beat them with my fists until their body isn't moving and the threat is eliminated. Unconscious, retarded, or dead, doesn't matter to me. DON'T PUT YOUR HANDS ON PEOPLE.

Well, there is the small detail of Person A, you know, actually killing Person B.

 ::)

Who's to say that Person B wasn't trying to kill Person A when they violently attacked them? Or should a person just go limp in the middle of the street and let someone beat them to death? If someone attacks a Grizzly Bear and the bear kills them, who's fault is it? Like usual, you don't make any sense, LMAO.

LOL ... I know. Some days I just like to see the semantic side steps people will take about pretty much anything so that they don't have to admit something is effed up.  

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Your commitment to "live and let live" only ever seems to extend as far as protecting things you think are OK.

It's one thing to disagree with stuff other people are saying and advocate for your own values.  I do that all the time, so I clearly have no problem with that.  What I find annoying is the repeated insistence that you just want to be left alone and stop telling you how to live... while y'all are all about telling other people how to live.  All the time.

These discussions would be a lot more productive (or, at least, more efficient) if conservatives would stop trying to pretend that it's only the liberals who want to impose their values on other people.  You don't see me pretending the opposite is true.

Like usual, you say one thing, and then come back with a different hypothetical detail or variations that makes your original scenario inaccurate or misleading. 

You are so fucking GOP it isn't even funny.

Here he goes with the passive aggressive temper tantrum again. Take a breath lil' fella, it's just the internet. You'll be ok after a nap.

Anyhow, what so you're saying is that if someone is defending themselves from being physically attacked and the attacker is killed. That the person who was attacked deserves to be punished? And if so, why? Feel free to be specific. 

Are you guys talking about Trayvon Martin?

Ah, so if someone uses the F-word in an exchange with you, it's a temper tantrum.

Good to know...

people erasing history......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWxszYK6IPU

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb7yI_rPU58


That isn’t one.....it is two.Unless you don’t view them as the “good guys”

That's twice I tried. If you refuse to engage in discussion you're useless. I'm done with you, you may go now 👌👌👌

'You can't make this stuff up': Outrage as eBay REMOVES listings for the six canceled Dr Seuss books because they 'glorify violence' - but allows Mein Kampf and Louis Farrakhan's books to be sold

Selective cancel culture at its finest

I do not like this Biden Twit
I do not like him, not one bit
I do not like his creepy stare
He often makes me want to swear
I do not like erased historical knowledge
Or forgiving tuition to the college
I do not like his immigration views
Most times he is just very confused
I do not like the way he speaks
I do not like buying oil from Sheiks
I do not like his stance on war
Or most of the things that he stands for
I do not think that he is smart
He's really just a dumb old fart
He really doesn't have much use
Now that he's done killed Dr. Seuss

BRAVO! Not even interested in the politics of this. Just reading it as a DR. Seuss fan. Well done.

Are you guys asking for the government to step in and force these private companies to retract their actions, or what exactly?  It's unclear what the actual goal of the "cancel culture" whining is this time.

I don't even know what it has to do with Biden. It's not like he runs ebay or the seuss estate.

Biden started it by removing him from Read Across America Day. That wasn't Trump, Obama, Bush etc. It was all Biden.

Launched in 1998 by the NEA, Read Across America Day was created as a way to encourage children to read. It later developed into a year-round program, with special celebrations in March.

How is the day tied to Dr. Seuss?
Since its conception, the annual reading day has been held on or near March 2, which is Dr. Seuss's birthday. This year, it will be held on his 117th birthday.  And for many Americans, Read Across America Day is celebrated alongside his birthday.

No, he did not. That's is just factually incorrect.

This was what Biden said .. you can read it yourself rather than parroting what you hear in the conservative bubble:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/01/a-proclamation-on-read-across-america-day-2021/

He doesn't mention Dr Seuss by name. Not mentioning someone isn't removing them. Why should he mention Dr Seuss specifically. There are literally thousands of authors he also doesn't mention by name. You don't see anyone claiming Biden cancelled Shell Silverstein.

Fake outrage.
Fake culture war.
Fake "conservatives"

Right?  ~  Hey, while we're at it, Fuck Biden for creating Murder Hornets and veggie burgers

I wouldn't call it a mental illness, but....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wcxHiorJ4

Bingo.  You can't change who you are no matter what you identify as.  Cross dressing is one thing.  Trying to change your body to the opposite gender is completely different.

I “love” seeing this blatant transphobia. There’s some really *chef’s kiss* nice and  strong ignorance in here.

It's the exact same playbook conservatives used to demonize gays in the '80s and '90s.

Homosexuality is a "mental illness," homosexual humans biologically cannot reproduce, blah blah blah.  Same tired song with slightly updated lyrics.

Not even close to being transphobic. I went to school with a guy who is now female including removing his junk. He went to somewhere in South America to have it done in the mid 90s so I'm guessing he was one of the ones leading the way. He sat with me in 97 at our 10th HS reunion so apparently I don't give off that bad a vibe. we now keep in touch on Facebook.  I treat everyone with respect but I will not lie to you and pretend it's not a  mental issue just to appease you when the facts point elsewhere.

Do research on what happens to people after having surgery. They still lead in the way of suicide. The excuse is bullying but while bullying has gotten less and minorities like Jewish people deal with it more than an other race the rates of suicide has gotten higher. They are never happy enough being male or female because they have other issues that aren't tied to a real or fake penis.

Once again: just because you are polite and friendly towards a trans person you know, that doesn't cancel out the fact that you insist they should be categorized as mentally ill.

There is this recurring theme amongst conservatives that "If I were a racist, I would have tried to burn my black neighbor's house down" or "If I were a homophobe, I would have tried to beat up my gay coworker."  That's not how it works.  You can be completely courteous towards a neighboring Muslim family... as you politically advocate for Muslims to be banned from our country.

It's not about whether you are nice to people, so you don't need to keep reminding us of how nice you are to people whose rights you would like to see curtailed.

LMAO ... I guess the people I know who are addicted (which is pretty much everyone) or suffering from PTSD, eating disorders, suffering from claustrophobia or even bipolar, depressed, and so on are hated by me as well? Dammit man I'm just full of hate and even hating on myself.  

I'll try to spell it out once again. I may have a porn addiction but there is no way I could ever say it isn't a sin in God's eyes. I also will never tell you that your sins are ok but I will be your friend and care about you. Whatever my perversions are doesn't change what is right and no matter who believes pedophilia is a normal human urge is going to change that. Likewise with other addictions. Society norms may change but right and and wrong do not.

The only person I want telling me about my sins is God...And that particular fictional character doesn't communicate with us mere mortals.

When coming from another normal human, whether it is family, some televangelist on TV or some random schmuck on the street, I automatically translate the word "sin" to "something I don't approve of."

CF, I never claimed you personally "hate" them.  Again, it's not about whether you hate or like them.

If it were just an issue of your personal faith requiring you to consider them "sinners," that would be just fine.  But that's not the case; you support and advocate for changing the law to restrict how trans people use public restrooms, or compete in sports... just as you support (supported?) changing the law to prohibit same sex marriage.

It's never about your personal code of morality; it's about your insistence on legally curtailing the rights of people whose lifestyles you disapprove of.  And when called out on that, your fallback position is to brag that you can still hold polite conversation with people whose lives you are trying to legally ruin.  That doesn't make a bit of difference.

Your opinion is the definition of transphobia. You are disgusting.

The high percentage of things that you and I agree on should make you nervous.  Because I'm kind of an asshole.  LOL   Seriously though, there isn't much that you and I would argue about.  Since I have been accused of being everything from a heartless conservative to a bleeding heart liberal, it is pretty rare for my viewpoints to be shared pretty closely by someone else. 

I always tell folks that if I walked into a room with 100 people, 50% would call me a conservative, 50% would call me a liberal, and half of both those groups would think I am out of my fucking mind.

And yes, I have been called an asshole enough in my life (mostly as I get older) to think that they just might be right...

Do you feel better about yourself now?

There is no correlation.  I have been called dumb (or other variants based on intelligence level) and a Patriots fan on this board countless times, but that doesn't make it true.

Doesn't make it false either...just sayin'.

Hitler couldn’t have been an antisemite, just look at how he treated Eduard Bloch.  

And back to the original question, do you oppose the tearing down of Sadam Hussain and Stalin statues as well?  Were those people the good guys or bad guys?

Good point.  There is an old baseball term called "sneaky fast" for someone who looks really slow when playing but is a lot faster than they seem to be.  Maybe you are "sneaky smart".   

Why does the asshole get such a bad rap?  It provides for a very meaningful bodily function.  Where would we be without the asshole?

It has a shitty job.

Without it, the brain would get foggy, the eyes would glaze over, and the legs would be wobbly and unable to stand.  They all would agree that the asshole is the real boss.

The moral of this story is:  You don't need brains to be a boss.  All you have to do is be an asshole.

^^^^^

To add: there really isn’t much in the way of symmetry between left and right “live and let live” or imposing of values.

Nobody who is on the left wants to ban heterosexual marriages and limit marriage to only homosexual.

Nobody on the left wants to ban adoption and mandate all teenage pregnancies end with an abortion.

Nobody on the left goes apeshit when a church  is built the way some on the right did with a muslim house of worship in NYC.


 

As a female friend once pointed out to me, the pussy also gets an undeserved reputation.  As she stated it, "Why is the word pussy used to describe someone who is a sissy?  Pussies are tough.  They take a pounding and keep coming back for more."   I could not argue with her point. 

I disagree with much of what you said but that is to be expected. The fact you said it doesn't make it any truer than I saying it. I got my perspective from doctors, pastors, and a litany of debates. Ben Shapiro, a Jew, will gladly spout out dozens of statistics and doctors opinions on why transsexualism is a mental illness. Fortunately you can easily google tons of hours of this for your viewing pleasure if facts are what you are really interested in and not just your opinion.

As far as live and let live ... most conservatives couldn't give a rats ass about who wears what or sticks what in whom. It's when it starts affecting us like mandatory readings from transsexuals and crossdressers for our children or allowing men into the little girls room or having boys/men compete against girls/women. It's when our kids are being taught to hate themselves for being white. Things like that are not funny to us. We as a society want women to be equal and heard but we put any self proclaimed transsexual ahead of them. That's effed up in my world. 

I'm sad someone brought Ben Shapiro of all people into any sort of debate. As if that guy's an authority on anything. Not sure what him being Jewish has to do with his "expertise" on trans issues.

And I'd much rather the religious right keep their priests from sexually assaulting children than being concerned which restroom someone walks into.

You totally missed the point on the last two.

The yes, the right wants to ban abortion and force adoption.  But the left doesn’t wants to ban adoption and force abortion.

And you missed the fact a Christian extremist bombed the Olympics in Atlanta, but nobody demanding we ban christian churches from downtown Atlanta. 

- or if someone wants to silently kneel during the national anthem
- or if someone chooses to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"
- or when a same sex couple wants to get married
- or, before that, when two people of the same sex wanted to have intercourse
- or, before that, when two people of different races wanted to get married
- or, before that, when a black person wanted to use the same water fountain as white people
etc.

You absolutely care about what other people wear, or say, or don't say, or who they marry.  Conservatism is ENTIRELY about enforcing your moral standards on others.

And that's fine; as a liberal, I want to enforce my moral standards - for example, no dumping your industrial waste in the closest available river - on others, too!  But you don't see me hypocritically whining about how I only want to be left alone and let other people live their lives with Freedom.

At least have the guts to own up to the fact that you want to enforce your morality on everyone else.

Your world appears to be light years away from the world we actually live in...

Mandatory readings from transexuals... Oh, the horror!

And, fwiw, if you actually gave two shits in an Easter basket about women's rights, You sure as everlovin' fuck wouldn't be supporting the "supposedly Christian" GOP position of taking women's rights over their own body away from them.

LOL ... that's the funny thing about hate in 2021. The bar keeps moving according to the argument. If I disagree as a conservative then I'm a hater. If you disagree as a liberal then you are educated. From many verses I know that speaking Biblical truth when asked is not hate so I stand on that. I'm not standing on the corner chasing people down and beating them over the head with a Bible. I don't think that is Biblical.

I'm going to lock this thread, as its way, way off from a natural progression of the ideas.  I don't think there's anywhere else to go with it.

Thanks for contributing.