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For the second year in a row with the season on the line, we no showed and got destroyed. One thing to lose to a better team, but quite another to lose as soon as you step off the bus. Flores is not the guy and he should've been let go after we lost to the Jaguars.

I know we all got excited about the 7 game winning streak, but this team lost 7 in a row and he couldn't even get the defense to be XFL level. He is a problem and he has to go. The GM can leave with him too. This team got some decent talent that has been held back by the coaching staff. Look at the O-Line for proof of that, so many rookies and 2nd year guys playing like garbage for no reason whatsoever.

This isn't the usual "Fire everyone and start fresh" nonsense. This is a solid team that can win 11-12 games next year with the right coaching. If we keep Flores, we start off next year 2-6 and fire him midway and waste yet another season. No more.

Do you guys watch the Big Bang theory?

If you do, do you remember the whip app episode?

Maybe instead of firing Flores, we need to hire somebody to do that app to him every time he does something stupid.

This team is a playoff quality team.  They played bad today.  However, if not for a HORRIBLE missed PI call in the end zone against LV, they'd be 9-7 right now.  They've lost two other close games.

I don't think you can look at ANY of their wins this year and say, "Well, they should have lost that game.  They were lucky."  Every win has been fairly comfortable.

It's just a matter of when the breaks are going to go our way.

It's been twenty years, and we are still waiting.

Without reading all of that dribble you're posting, no we don't fire him.

It's difficult to make a case that the talent acquired during the rebuild is sufficient when it's never played at a sufficient level in the pro game.  It's not like these are players who have played elsewhere and then come here and had their performance drop off.  It's just as likely the draft picks have been nothing more than misses and average players, with no difference-makers.

Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase just went up and down the field all day on the Chiefs and won.  This team has no difference-makers of that sort.  They're completely incapable of being competitive against the best teams in the league like that.  If you don't have the horses in the passing game, you're very unlikely to be one of the best teams in the league.  This team doesn't have them.

We've on the cusp of the playoffs so many times.  We just need to get over that hump

We won 10 games last year and 8 or 9 this year. So, 9-10 wins is our current talent level with bad coaching and a not great GM. I don't think it's far off to say this team can win 12 games with better coaching and a solid free agency class. Really just talking about 2 extra wins, not going from 4 to 14 wins in a season.

We’ll stay with this coaching staff another year but we haven’t seen anything to think things will get any better than slow starts and winning a few against mediocre teams. I don’t think Flores is the problem as much as he just can’t or won’t bring in knowledgeable coaches. Maybe he’s worried experienced coaches won’t tow his line or something but we need better coaches to teach and call plays.

I think it's a fair question, but no, I don't think you can.

You're right -- the time to make the move was mid-season, after you'd decided the season was lost.  Now, you're losing to a team that you probably should've lost to and you're gonna fire now? I am not a fan of Flores and I wouldn't be sad to see him gone, but the play-calling and things he has direct control over has been much improved in the last few weeks.  Unfortunately, this week Tua wasn't good and nobody could catch the ball.  But the opportunities were there....we just didn't make it happen.

I don't think we're a good team, as I said, but we're not terrible either.  I think we're probably only a couple of players away from being much, much better.  We need to protect the QB a little better and probably have one more great receiver and we'll be there.

He does make bad decisions, but is he costing the team games?

We were SOOO close to fighting for the top seed in the AFC this year

Flores has made a lot of bad decisions and he's been outcoached quite a few times this year (including yesterday's game). He has seemed to manage the locker room and players quite well, with well below-league-average public moaning from players - and no one quit despite a 7 game losing streak.

His decisions on who to surround himself with leave a lot to be desired. The co-offensive coordinator thing was a bust and going through 4 offensive coordinators and 4 offensive line coaches in 3 years is just a recipe for disaster. The worst part is that those two components still look like shit, so the urge to make a change on that front has to be strong - but does anyone really believe offensive coordinator #5 is the solution? It might just be beyond repair at this point, with no good choices left.

I would've fired him at any time during the streak, he is not the right coach for this team. You just can't have your team get blown out as much as we do. We are not some 3 win team that can't beat anyone, we are a middle of the pack team that consistently gets killed by better tams, especially when the season is on the line. We are defeated when we step off the bus, that's all on coaching. The Titans are better, but they didn't even have Henry playing. 34-3 with the season on the line? Enough already, time to go.

A week ago I would have said that we should give Flores another year, but I've changed my mind. Let me explain.

It's not so much that my feeling about Flores has changed, it's the feeling I get that I think we have seen the ceiling that Flores can bring to the Dolphins and it's not high enough. Flores and company might be able to get us to the playoffs next year, but I don't feel that he can take us any further than that. I think both the offensive and the defensive philosophy that he has is limited. The swarming attacking defense does really well against undisciplined offenses, but when it comes up against an offense like the Titans that has an answer for that type of defense then Miami can't switch to something else and get the job done. Same for the offense. An RPO can only take you so far in the NFL and you have to be able to switch to something else when that isn't working and I don't think the offensive line, the QB nor the receivers that we have are capable of switching to something else under Flores. So when the Dolphins fall behind, they get crushed. If they can stay close in a game Flores gives them a decent chance of winning, but once the game starts to get out of hand they don't have the tools to make a comeback and it snowballs quickly. That's happened far too often this year, against mostly good teams.

Here's the problem though for me and that is that I'm not sure the braintrust that is the Dolphins front office can identify a coach with a ceiling higher than Flores. In my opinion the owner is too set on trying to find the "NEXT GREAT COACH" that will last 10 or 15 years with the Dolphins but doesn't know how to find that person, nor does anyone else within the organization. In my opinion it's time to get rid of the entire front office and not just the head coach. We need to bring in a front office that is willing to bring in a head coach that already has head coaching experience and not look for some up and comer. It takes too long for some up and comer to just learn how to coach. We need someone who's already been there and done that. Someone that will have the respect of the players the moment they get here. Someone like Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher. Someone who can start the process and then eventually turn over control to someone else once the organization is back on the right track. The really tough thing to swallow is that going back to square one means another 2 or 3 years of futility, but the alternative is enduring more of the same that we have seen for the last 20 years where the Dolphins bounce around from poor to decent and never really look like a team that scares anyone.

Flores not the problem!  Did you watch that game?  Our D was playing great and Tua was the problem.. Sorry he misses too many throws and decision making horrible.  Add in the fumblesyesterday and we could have won.  
He’s not the guy… plain and simple.

Yes our D got gashed late, but that 1st quarter was dominating and our offence couldn’t make plays… when I say offence I’m pointing at Tua!  He made one good long pass to Waddle, but was high on most other throws.  If this team had Russell Wilson or Watson, we run away with the division.  Neither isn’t happening, but man Tua was terrible yesterday.

This is funny. Watson didn't win any more games his last year in Texas than they did this year. He isn't Brady or Rodgers who can actually make up for bad teams. Wilson looks to be running out of gas but I guess we will see.

This is what I don't understand about the Watson love. He is a great QB, but he literally had a garbage team and won 4 games with them. Why would he save us when Tua usually isn't a problem? Did he switch to Left Tackle since he last played?

Tua was definitely terrible yesterday, but we aren't winning that game yesterday with other QBs either.  We have terrible drop issues and no line.

Tua was bad.  But in general, our offense is horrible and it's not him.

Tua missed some open receivers but I think it's because there is no consistency to the line and he has happy feet.  You just never know how much time you're gonna have with this line.  They just let guys in and he's always throwing on the run.  His deep ball seems fine to me.  Until the last couple of weeks, we weren't even dialing up those plays.

I mean, this week wasn't happening for us:   drops, bad QB play, terrible rip-off calls from officiating, missed FG, defense playing worse than usual...it was just all around not happening.

^ I don't want Watson, but Tua has had two games now where he didn't look like an NFL quarterback. That scares me.

The Dolphins have had 10 years where they haven't looked like an NFL team.  Seems weird to put that on Tua for 2 games.

The guy that beat us yesterday is the blueprint for Tua. Everyone complained about Tannehill when he was here and about how bad he was. Do with Tua what the Titans have done with Tannehill. Sure they have different strengths and weaknesses. However, they both are well versed in the RPO. But like I've said before, the Titans use designed runs and run options for Tannehill. If Tua is going to succeed he needs to use his legs more and learn how to slide.

The Dolphins need 4 things to take the next step. Get the OL up to at minimum average. Get a upper mid level RB. Get a couple WRs to complement Waddle(not Parker or Williams). And get Tua using his legs more. Hell, I can't count how many times he's had room to run this season.

I've said it several times this year and I'll say it again. Put Tua in New England and you'll see how good he is. At this point he is much better than Mac Jones and they are in the playoffs. His accuracy is pretty damn good ... for the most part. Give him that o-line and watch out.

He still has played fewer than 20 games. He has had plenty more good games than bad games. He was 1 weapon and a historically bad O-Line. Not saying he would be Brady with another receiver but this team is almost purposely trying to make him fail between his supporting cast and management trying to dump him for a guy that isn't even in the league right now.

If he sucks after 3 games next season, then I would worry.

I'd say no to firing Flores, and yes to jettisoning Grier and the two headed monster that is the OC.

I would love to have Doug Pederson back here as OC.

That is generous. Maybe even a little delusional. The coaches aren't on the field. If they were as good a unit as 11-12 wins they'd have played better all season.

Not attacking you Edge. I'm just...disgruntled and fed up.

We won 10 games in 2020 with a very similar defense. We then added Javon Holland who is amazing and will probably win only 8 games with an extra game on the schedule. That's coaching. Xavien and Byron sucked for the first half for no reason. When so many players suck or young guys take a step back, that's coaching.

Even this year, we will/probably will go 8-9. Is an extra 3 wins so crazy with good coaching? Not asking for a 2008 rebound, just 3 more wins. Keep in mind, I might be more pessimistic than most people around here, routinely rooting for losses for a better draft pick. So, I don't think I'm being too much of a fanboy here. I just really have no respect for our management from top to bottom.

I suppose so.  But going with that logic, shouldn't  Flores then get all of the credit for the win streak? If that's so then he's probably worth keeping around for one more shot.

I got news for you, Tua is NOT Tannehill. Tannehill has things that Tua doesn't like a strong arm, height which allows him to see the field well and he's actually much more athletic than people give him credit for. He was a wide receiver in college for a couple years, he can run. Tua is little, quick but not fast and he has a weak arm. His strength is his accuracy, not terribly good at pushing the ball down the field. Tua is an RPO type of QB, that's not what Tannehill is. Tannehill is a drop back passer that can scramble, that's not Tua.

Having said all that, Tua is not the problem or at least he's not the only problem. Certainly giving Tua a better offensive line and the ability to run the ball will help the RPO offense, but I still think it's a flawed offense because it doesn't provide chunk plays and you need that in the NFL. If you don't have that, you don't scare defenses and they are willing to let you try to RPO yourself down the field. It works sometimes, but it doesn't provide quick scores and when you get behind you need to be able to score quickly.

The win streak is nice but at the end of the day, what is the difference between 8 wins with a 7 game streak and 8 wins scattered throughout the year? I will give credit for the team not completely tanking when starting 1-7, but to me the 7 game losing streak carries a lot more weight.

Just trying to remove emotion from it for a second, after 3 years at the helm, the team is going backwards and not producing a lot of stars or top talent despite tons of draft picks and cap space. Without a dramatic change, why would we do better in 2022 if we're already trending down? I just want to right the ship before another window closes. We got a lot of cheap rookie contracts but eventually those will become expensive and then we have to cut ties with some or blow it up again.

The team is virtually the same as it was in 2018 in terms of quality, when Grier/Flores took over and started the total rebuild.  They've spent three years rebuilding and produced an overall result exactly within the expected range -- average.

The team has a shot to improve significantly next year however if several of the players obtained develop further and become exceptional, and the team adds more through free agency who play at an exceptional level as well.  Tua has to be one of them.

Flores has certainly had some growing pains the last couple years, but IMO it would be wrong to replace him.  He's not terrible, and the players still play for him.  Outside a handful of Coaches in the league everyone is the same or worse.  Who would he be replaced by?  A washed up former coach?  A college coach that knows nothing about the NFL?  Another NFL coordinator with no prior HC Experience like Philbin or Gase?

IMO Miami is on the verge of getting over the hump and needs to keep making some small tweaks, instead of blowing everything up.

Seeing Najee Harris run all over the Browns last night really burns me up.   The Dolphins could've and should've taken him.

How much can a coach do? He is supposed to get the team ready for the game, manage timeouts, decide what to do on 4th downs and make adjustments mid-game when necessary. Which one of these does he do well? Too often the team looks unprepared for the game and they get blown out when it matters most. We all know he is terrible with challenges. I guess he is fine when it comes to kicking a FG or going for it and he isn't too great with adjustments.

If a player fumbles or a Corner gets beat on coverage, that's not on him because he isn't on the field but he isn't great with anything and it's been 3 years now with diminishing returns.

Truthfully, I would do what I can to get Harbaugh out of Michigan. We need an established coach and I don't think we have had anyone with HC experience since Wannstedt. He can be a prick but he has had NFL success and success at Michigan too even if he couldn't get them over the hump. Ross is a Michigan alum and loves him. I don't see it happening but I know exactly how the 2022 season starts if Flores is the HC and that's by us going 2-6 and him getting fired midseason.

I thought about Harbaugh too but I kinda doubt that Ross can get him to come to Miami. I think he's pretty happy being in Michigan right now. Maybe a year or 2 ago you could have persuaded him.

For me the question isn't do Flores and Grier deserve to return, the question is if you fire them who do you get to replace them and do you trust Ross to be able to find the right people for the jobs and then convince them to come to Miami? That's a hard sell in my opinion right now especially for the people that you would like to get who are either retired or have pretty cushy jobs already. The reality is that we might be stuck with Flores/Grier even if they don't deserve another year.

Michigan did better this year than in the past but they still got killed in the playoffs. Before this season, the locals wanted to move on for not taking them to the promised land. Maybe he stays another year and tries to finish what he starts and maybe Ross gives him the Godfather deal and tells him he runs the whole show. We know what Flores and Grier can and can't do, why even waste the 2022 season on Year 4? I'd rather take a chance and fail miserably, although with Harbaugh that is very unlikely to happen as he was very successful before the Niners ownership and GM had some dumb drama that made him leave.

Flores needs to be better -- so fire him or not, he needs to have better game management.  He gets flustered, he's too conservative for how bad his offense is.   But he has been better, so I'm trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, after having given him a hard time pretty much since he's been here.

I think we're really probably 2 players away from being considerably better --- maybe not Super Bowl quality, but certainly a team that can win a playoff game.

OL - Specifically replace Jesse Davis.  If we take that huge negative and put in a cornerstone tackle, while I don't think the rest of the line is great, it will go a long way and they can improve together....you can use RBs to chip-block in areas of weakness, etc.  You can't do that on both ends, when Davis just lets guys through every time.

WR - I think you need one.  And not to replace anyone.  But to add.  Waddle is great and Parker is good, but you really need one more guy to make Parker the 3rd receiver.  Pair that with re-signing Gesicki and I believe there's a lot to get excited about.

Could Jim Harbaugh return to the NFL? 'I think it's real' (https://theathletic.com/news/could-jim-harbaugh-return-to-the-nfl-i-think-its-real/fp7uejcUpuzW/)

Please ... NO to Harbaugh. I'd rather keep Flores one more year than bring in that nutball.

That article mentions Las Vegas and Chicago but not Miami? We got the most cap space, Ross loves him and would probably give him total money and the most money.

Intensity works when you have a successful resume at both levels of football and on the playing field. We are a soft team who gives up on games, we need a hardass that people will respect. We got a lot of rookies so they're easier to motivate and buy in than veterans.

I know we could be here in 2025 with me starting a "FIRE HARBAUGH NOW!!" thread after the players refuse to take the field and we drop to 2-9, but I'd rather roll the dice on something new than continue to lose with something proven.

I don't know if he's NFL material (because I think coaching college is way, way different of a skill set), but I really like Lane Kiffin.

In four years with the 49ers, he went 44-19-1 and took San Francisco to a Super Bowl in his second year. Harbaugh has had better success in the NFL than in college.

Oh, I was talking about Lane Kiffin.

Oh, misread that completely then. :)

This is the team that just beat the Dolphins 34-3:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-analysis/2022/titans-vs-worst-no-1-seeds-ever?utm_source=CCM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=eNews_Tues

So, in a crazy off year for the NFL where no team is above "pretty solid" and 80% of the league is mediocre, we still can't make the playoffs. The drop off this year from 2020 is even more dramatic than we thought. So, to reiterate, Fire Flores.

None of that mumbo jumbo really means anything. All it proves is that "any given sunday" is all that matters. What do those numbers mean if the Titans happen to win the Super Bowl?

Setting aside those with an obvious vested interest in downplaying any success from TEN, I don't think anyone would be surprised to hear that a Titans team without three of their best players doesn't rate very high on analytics.  Nevertheless, if they wind up with a #1 seed while missing Julio Jones, A.J. Brown, and Derrick Henry for significant portions of the season, that's a borderline miracle.

Tannehill made the playoffs every year he was this Tennessee. I think his record is 29-13.

Maybe he doesn’t have it to get them a SB but man I think if Miami did a better job with him he would have been good enough to build a team around.

He hasn’t had a great year and he isn’t the primary reason for Tennessee’s success but the team has the ability to beat anyone, especially if Henry comes back.  Would love to see him hoist the trophy and silence some critics.

At least Tennessee has games to look forward to in the playoffs and have a real shot. I’d take that over the irrelevant joke we have always been.

What’s interesting is the discrepancy between their record and their predicted record, and how that related to a win by a highly unexpected margin. Do you figure Football Outsiders has an interest in “downplaying Tennessee’s success”? They wrote an article about the discrepancy between their record and their predicted record.

Of course one would first have to understand things like predicted records and predicted game outcomes to perceive the intent accurately.

If it were up to me I’d fire Flores. I don’t have faith that he can mold a championship team or even a contender.

I’d like to see someone come in and try to give Tua a better a shot next year.. Or maybe it’d be better to trade Tua and start fresh at QB again if we see someone worth it. Wanna take a risk on a Pittsburgh QB? I don’t know, but I dont think Tua can develop with Flores at the helm.

That said, I don’t think he gets fired, maybe if we just get annihilated next week but I don’t think so after the win streak.

The other reason for optimism, as Titans so enthusiastically pointed out to me, is that the Titans have suffered a lot of injuries this year. They lost Derrick Henry for half the season. They played some games without either of their top two receivers, veterans A.J. Brown and Julio Jones. They've had a number of offensive line and defensive injuries as well. The Titans will be a lot healthier in the playoffs than they were in most of their losses this season. This is true! With a healthy roster, the Titans aren't really the worst team to ever win a No. 1 seed despite having the lowest DVOA. They're certainly better than the 2000 New York Giants, for example. The question is: how much do we want to mentally adjust the Titans' DVOA rating for the injuries they had to deal with?

Football Outsiders acknowledges that TEN has had several injuries to key players, and that - while that version of the Titans is certainly unimpressive - the healthier version that we expect for the playoffs is a much stronger team.  The injured version of TEN doesn't beat BUF, doesn't beat LAR, doesn't sweep IND, and doesn't stomp KC - wins which play a big part in their current position as the #1 seed right now.

However, that injured version of TEN does indeed stomp MIA.  So instead of derailing yet another thread into more of your attempts to retroactively justify your continual attacks on Tannehill when he was in a Dolphins uniform, let's try to stay on topic.

I'm just about ready to move on from Flores (and also Grier).

This was a crucial year in terms of their rebuild design, and we if we didn't go backwards it was close enough to it for me to call it a massive fail.

Looking beyond the numbers, the standard of coaching is so bewildering, inconsistent and appalling. The bad calls, bad challenges, the flip flop between preferences of players and game styles that on the surface just makes no sense at all. Unfortunately this is nothing new - you would think that by year three there's the experience that this bizarre stuff should have stopped, but no...

Two OC promoted from within which of course doesn't work (as literally everyone outside of the Fins hierarchy had predicted) and is not corrected during the season, while the rest of the coaching staff recruited is either K-Mart or Reject Shop standard. Perhaps not surprisingly, the form of several key young players have gone significantly backward.

Then there's the treatment of Tua. He's our guy... except we've been talking about Watson behind the scenes... Brissett is only the starter while Tua is injured... until Brissett is hurt against the Ravens for Tua to come on in relief. We're going to stretch the field with our speedy trio of wide receivers to open up the running game... except there's no time to throw the ball, and only Waddle and Gesicki who can seem to get open deep downfield. Needless to say, there's no running game either.

Despite his flaws I always thought Flores at least had players motivated... up until the midst of our losing streak this year when it seemed like more than a few had clocked off. Some of the magic seemed to return for the Ravens game (our best of the season) when the defense went back to the blitzing schemes that worked last year, Tua's return during the game, and Hunt's little goal line stunt - it's probably the first time to me this year the players visibly seemed to really enjoy being out there. That carried through up until a game that really mattered against Tennessee, and then you guessed it, flat as a tack again. Another bad loss this week and I will have the feeling that Flores had me completely fooled on this, and it's his only real selling point to date.

Between this and our recruiting, I have serious doubts we are headed in the right direction, and this golden opportunity has been blown. Could it still be salvaged by getting a competent, experienced coaching staff? Maybe, but with our Owner you just know that isn't going to happen...

What's the chance that Ross gets caught sounding out Harbaugh again while Flores is still under contract? Then he follows it up with "the Dolphin Way" under his particular Custodianship: he awards Flores a 2-3 year extension, only to fire him part way through the next season when the players have completely checked out, we bottom out during one of our worst ever seasons, and the fans revolt. I wish I could say I'm only joking about this, but we've seen it all before...

I couldn’t care less about Tennessee or Tannehill at this point. Virtually all of my (few) posts are strongly Dolphins- and general football-related. You do far more talking about Tennessee and Tannehill than anyone else here — i.e., this thread (take a look above, where you derailed the topic and then did more talking about Tennessee and Tannehill than anyone has here in four years and likely ever will again) — so perhaps you should practice what you preach about staying on-topic.

If you believe I’m derailing a thread you can certainly delete my post(s) and reprimand me behind the scenes, as a moderator appropriately should.

I’m not stuck in the world of four years ago — I would suggest you leave it as well and fast-forward to today, where we can all hopefully get along no problem. :)

Notice I didn’t say a thing substantive about Tennessee or Tannehill there. Let’s see whether you can follow suit or you continue to derail the thread in that direction, while telling other people to “stay on-topic.”

Brian Baldinger asked the best question in regards to the current regime. After three years what is your record against winning teams? We are still being blown out by them. It's possible the Patriots embarrass us to end the season since they clearly are a much better team than last time.

The model that's most likely to win big in today's NFL is the top-notch QB and the top-notch offensive mind orchestrating the offense and calling the plays.  At this point the Dolphins have neither, and until they do, it'll take an unlikely number of personnel victories elsewhere to compete at that level.  The play-caller and the play director give you the largest margin of error with regard to the rest of the business of winning.  Until they have both of those in place I won't be optimistic about their success, and betting against them to make the playoffs will be the better bet.

There was at least 1 person in these forums that knew that when we got rid of him. As fans we spend entirely too much time focusing on the QB play and not nearly enough time on the rest of the team which includes both the defense and special teams. SB winning teams get contribution from all 3 phases of the game.

Funnily enough, out of the recent QBs the one that reminds me most of Tua the most would be Russell Wilson. The key difference is to me is the Hawks had decent coaching group who were fully behind him from the start of his rookie year, supported him with a great OL and rushing game to go with their suffocating defense... they went to back to back Superbowls, winning one.

Now that's not in the group of what I call the truly elite echelon of QBs (Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, and maybe Brees) who can seem to make the most ordinary of wideouts look like superstars when they join their squad. But it says to me Tua does possibly have the tools to win - provided he has the necessary support. To date we haven't given him anything remotely resembling that.

Then perhaps you should have refrained from injecting them into this thread, as you did when you cited an article that:

1) does not mention the words "Miami" or "Dolphins" at all
2) has nothing to do with any team the Dolphins may face again this year

The flimsy excuse of "look at the team Miami lost to" has no more to do with this thread than any of the other 13 teams has MIA played.  You're not fooling anyone by injecting an article that's critical of the Titans as "strongly Dolphins related" solely because MIA lost to them.  TEN's strength compared to other #1 seeds in history has literally nothing to do with the 2021 Miami Dolphins.

Because most of us were present for your last run here, when you start talking about how "offensive line performance doesn't correlate to success" or "win-loss record is not a reliable indicator of team quality" or even "the Titans are a severely overrated team," we know what you're trying to say.  Your dog whistle is not slick.

Is that how the moderators work on your forum... silently make posts disappear, then send nastygrams in PMs?
Thanks for the advice.

Listen pal, if you have a problem with me, then manage me backchannel, rather than displaying your paranoia for the whole world to see.

There have been lots of questions about the quality of the pass blocking of Wilson's offensive lines over the years.  He's been pretty regularly regarded as a QB whose mobility and evasion of pressure has surmounted the quality of his offensive lines.

I would say the biggest difference between Wilson and Tua right now is that while both show good ability to evade pressure, Wilson has shown far more ability to throw downfield laser beams that generate big plays.  Tua may have that ability as well and it may be undermined by other factors, or he may not.  We simply need a bigger sample size with Tua.

Between 1 and 2, he must really be angry

(https://i.redd.it/ry3x4r762zb11.jpg)

Yeah I’m sure. At the time I was ready to move on. He wouldn’t have had the success he had if he stayed, but that injury in 2016 stings. That was a decent team with some momentum until the injury and then reinjury.  Gase lost control and traded away all the playmakers but maybe we could have had something then.

This latest rebuild doesn’t seem to have worked. So here’s to another decade of mediocrity at best.