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Title: What this shutdown is
Post by: dolphins4life on October 02, 2025, 12:00:20 pm
This is the Democrats throwing a fit about not getting their way.

The Republicans are trying to do what they ran the platform on.  They ran it on fairness.  They ran it trying to stop people from cheating the system.  They ran it on trying to stop people from living the good life of the American taxpayer.

I have seen many people complaining about their EBT benefits being cut on TikTok.  This is what I voted for.  Go get a job.   

Sadly, the problem is far from being fixed.  There are still far too many people out there living the good life and having everything they live off of provided for by the taxpayers.

One TikTok user today literally said, "The government needs to do it's job so I can get money from the taxpayers to feed my child because I don't want to work".

This is what is wrong with this country.

Trump and his administration are to be commended for their efforts not just to make America great again, but fair again. 

This is the equivalent of somebody overturning the chessboard because they don't like their position.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Fau Teixeira on October 02, 2025, 12:58:32 pm
The Republicans control the House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme court, but it's the democrat's fault?  riiiiiiiight. Maybe it's obama's fault because he wore a tan suit once


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Dave Gray on October 02, 2025, 02:44:03 pm
The Republicans control the House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme court, but it's the democrat's fault?  riiiiiiiight. Maybe it's obama's fault because he wore a tan suit once

And the governorships.  And they bought up all of the TV broadcasting.  And the social media companies.  The Democrats have no power at all.

These people got everything that they wanted, have full power to do anything they want and they still want to blame the other side.  Fucking ridiculous.  Oligarchs who have all the money in the country have convinced idiots to blame the working poor for their problems.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: masterfins on October 02, 2025, 06:30:29 pm
What I don't like about shutdowns is that when the government reopens the employees end up getting paid for all the time they didn't work.  So for most it's no big deal they can live off savings or credit cards for a couple weeks at most, or at least they should be able to.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Dave Gray on October 02, 2025, 09:23:34 pm
What I don't like about shutdowns is that when the government reopens the employees end up getting paid for all the time they didn't work.  So for most it's no big deal they can live off savings or credit cards for a couple weeks at most, or at least they should be able to.

For government workers, sure.  But people who depend on those services, like social security offices and stuff like that, it's bad.


I think this is lose/lose for me.  I 100% know that Donald Trump is running a fascist regime.  I am stunned that Americans think this is business as usual.  Our representative democracy is dead.  So, on one hand, I am fine with shutting down the government, because it's a government that is weaponized against its own people.  However, I'm pretty sure he's just going to use it as an excuse to fire anyone in the various levels that he thinks is not someone who follows him.

We are right and truly fucked in America and half of us are cheering it on.  I never thought I'd see the day.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sunstroke on October 02, 2025, 10:28:50 pm

How soon before Trump decides to issue an executive order naming the Democratic party as a domestic terrorist group?

(that's a serious question)




Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 29, 2025, 03:04:27 pm
People are crying because 40 million Americans suddenly don't have money for food.   This is why you should never put yourself in a position where the government is in charge of your food and money.  If you rely on the government to feed you, you give them the power to starve you.   


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2025, 03:52:06 pm
Why are all these irresponsible children choosing to be born to poor families that can't afford to feed them?
Are they stupid?


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 29, 2025, 04:10:07 pm
Why are all these irresponsible children choosing to be born to poor families that can't afford to feed them?
Are they stupid?

Why did the parents have the children to begin with if they couldn't afford to take care of them?   Nobody put a gun to their heads and forced them to reproduce.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2025, 04:17:49 pm
That's a decision from the parents, not the children.  Children don't choose to be born, nor who to be born to.

So your "don't put yourself in a position where you are reliant on the government" advice is inapplicable to children, who never had a choice.  It is cruel to voluntarily starve children for choices they had no part in.

Now, if your point here is that the government should confiscate the children of poor families who can't afford to feed them without assistance, then make that point.  But that is not a fiscal argument, as providing foster care for all these confiscated children will cost taxpayers far more than just giving their families food stamps.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 29, 2025, 06:26:22 pm
That's a decision from the parents, not the children.  Children don't choose to be born, nor who to be born to.

So your "don't put yourself in a position where you are reliant on the government" advice is inapplicable to children, who never had a choice.  It is cruel to voluntarily starve children for choices they had no part in.

Now, if your point here is that the government should confiscate the children of poor families who can't afford to feed them without assistance, then make that point.  But that is not a fiscal argument, as providing foster care for all these confiscated children will cost taxpayers far more than just giving their families food stamps.

My point is this.  Maybe they'll actually go out and get a damn job so they can feed themselves.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2025, 06:47:53 pm
the problem in this country is that there are too many lazy second-graders who are unwilling to GET A JOB and feed themselves


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 29, 2025, 07:43:44 pm
Nobody put a gun to their heads and forced them to reproduce.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/legal-regulatory-issues/the-states-where-physicians-can-be-sentenced-to-prison-for-abortions/


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 30, 2025, 09:02:01 am
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/legal-regulatory-issues/the-states-where-physicians-can-be-sentenced-to-prison-for-abortions/


That has nothing to do with it.   Nobody put a gun to these parents heads and forced them to have sex in order to make babies.   Scared of an unplanned pregnancy?   Find other ways to get yourself off without penetration.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 30, 2025, 09:03:19 am
the problem in this country is that there are too many lazy second-graders who are unwilling to GET A JOB and feed themselves

Yep.   Adults with child's mentalities who see their well being as someone else's responsibility.   


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 30, 2025, 11:58:21 am
That has nothing to do with it.   Nobody put a gun to these parents heads and forced them to have sex in order to make babies.   Scared of an unplanned pregnancy?   Find other ways to get yourself off without penetration.

There are multiple states that do not allow rape victims to have an abortion. 


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 30, 2025, 12:20:48 pm
There are multiple states that do not allow rape victims to have an abortion. 

Then give the baby to someone who wants one but can't conceive.   There are a lot of couples out there that would make great parents but for some reason or another can't have children.   And while you're at it, stop charging five figures to adopt a child.   


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sunstroke on October 30, 2025, 11:44:32 pm

^^^ So, not only do they have to suffer the trauma of the rape, but even if they don't believe in your fictitious God, they still have to carry the rapists child to term?

So, basically, you're saying "fuck the victims...in the name of God."

Amen




Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 31, 2025, 08:57:28 am
^^^ So, not only do they have to suffer the trauma of the rape, but even if they don't believe in your fictitious God, they still have to carry the rapists child to term?

So, basically, you're saying "fuck the victims...in the name of God."

Amen

Who said life was easy?   For some, it's very very hard.   Some people are victims, but other people do it to themselves.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 31, 2025, 04:18:03 pm
Who said life was easy?   For some, it's very very hard.   Some people are victims, but other people do it to themselves.

Nobody said life is easy.  But if your goal in life is to make it harder for others particularly victims of sexual assault then you are an asshole.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Sibster on October 31, 2025, 04:40:37 pm
Nobody said life is easy.  But if your goal in life is to make it harder for others particularly victims of sexual assault then you are an asshole.

What about the baby?   That baby didn't ask to be made by a rapist and certainly didn't do anything to deserve being killed either.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: masterfins on October 31, 2025, 05:19:56 pm
This a lot of crappy political gamesmanship.  First Trump and the Republicans want a clean (no law changes) continuing Resolution to keep paying current bills only until Nov 21st.  Whether you're a Democrat or Republican in power I believe this is the way these should be handled.  The Democrats in this case want to force the Republicans to change laws in this Bill, I'm against doing things this way.  Now both Democrats and Republicans are using the loss of SNAP benefits to force the other side to capitulate.  The USDA has billions set aside in an emergency fund to cover government shutdowns like this, and Trump is not letting them do that, which is BS of the highest order.  And the poor children suffer.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 01, 2025, 11:23:04 am
What about the baby?   That baby didn't ask to be made by a rapist and certainly didn't do anything to deserve being killed either.

I might believe that you actually cared about the baby, rather than just being sadistic towards the mom if you supported universal prenatal care, public housing so the baby wasn't homeless, WIC and SNAP so the baby wouldn't starve and universal pediatric care so the child would have health care. 

This a lot of crappy political gamesmanship.  First Trump and the Republicans want a clean (no law changes) continuing Resolution to keep paying current bills only until Nov 21st.  Whether you're a Democrat or Republican in power I believe this is the way these should be handled.  The Democrats in this case want to force the Republicans to change laws in this Bill, I'm against doing things this way.  Now both Democrats and Republicans are using the loss of SNAP benefits to force the other side to capitulate.  The USDA has billions set aside in an emergency fund to cover government shutdowns like this, and Trump is not letting them do that, which is BS of the highest order.  And the poor children suffer.

THIS is exactly why republicans constantly try to undercut education.  Holding such an opinion when the Republicans control both branches of congress and the executive branch and could pass any budget they want without any democrats is only possible if you didn't learn the basic civics that my school taught in 6th grade.   


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Pappy13 on November 01, 2025, 07:42:19 pm
What about the baby?   That baby didn't ask to be made by a rapist and certainly didn't do anything to deserve being killed either.
The unborn baby's rights don't outweigh the victim of sexual assault's rights.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: masterfins on November 01, 2025, 08:14:10 pm


THIS is exactly why republicans constantly try to undercut education.  Holding such an opinion when the Republicans control both branches of congress and the executive branch and could pass any budget they want without any democrats is only possible if you didn't learn the basic civics that my school taught in 6th grade.   

There's a thing in the Senate called the "filibuster" which allows the minority party to put off voting on laws.  Currently the filibuster rule requires 60 votes to end the filibuster and bring the item to a vote, the Republicans don't have 60 votes.  Now the Senate Republicans could eliminate this filibuster rule and make it a simple majority, as Trump wants them to do, is that what you want to happen?  This is probably above 6th grade civics, or it may have changed since you were in 6th grade.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Spider-Dan on November 01, 2025, 09:19:41 pm
Republicans have already ignored the filibuster multiple times (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-poke-holes-filibuster-vowing-protect-rcna231423) this session.  They are observing it right now because they want to; they are hoping Democrats fold and give them the political cover they need for the draconian cuts to come.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: Phishfan on November 02, 2025, 09:06:50 am
What about the baby?   That baby didn't ask to be made by a rapist and certainly didn't do anything to deserve being killed either.

It isn't a baby until it develops.


Title: Re: What this shutdown is
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 02, 2025, 10:44:49 am
There's a thing in the Senate called the "filibuster" which allows the minority party to put off voting on laws.  Currently the filibuster rule requires 60 votes to end the filibuster and bring the item to a vote, the Republicans don't have 60 votes.  Now the Senate Republicans could eliminate this filibuster rule and make it a simple majority, as Trump wants them to do, is that what you want to happen?  This is probably above 6th grade civics, or it may have changed since you were in 6th grade.

So in your mind the house passed a budget and for the past six weeks the democrats have been filibustering the senate for six weeks to prevent passage?

Because reality is the Republicans have shut down the house and senate.