Porter campaigning for Buress

[Doc-phin]

The very first thing Eisen mentioned was the Michigan State jersey, and that was in the teaser to the interview.  Porter didn't bring it up first.

Hard to remember specifically.  But I do remember Eisen trying to talk to Porter and Porter giving no indication that he could hear anything.  If I am recalling correctly, Eisen tried to say hello a few times to Porter and there was no response.  It appeared that Porter was then told he was on the air and immediately started pointing at the jersey.

This is semantics either way.  Lets just say that Porter was saying hi to Buress.  If he was willing to do what he did on national TV, do you think there is any doubt Porter wouldn't prefer to have Buress on his team?  Your definition of campaigning could be different that mine, but I have little doubt that Porter would like to see Buress on our team.  Porter isn't as dumb as he lets on, he just isn't good with word choice and doesn't care about consequences.

[dolphantom]

I agree with Jvides though, his sentence was WAY too harsh for what went down.  Regular people who simply possess guns illegaly get away with no jail time.  Why should this guy have to do two years?

i think youre wrong on the gun charge, tommy. i beleive its one year mandatory, for gun possesion, no matter what. however, i'm not 100% sure......so please dont hold me to it.

as far as plax goes... i believe whole heartedly that you get one shot in this life at something as special as playing in the NFL. if you blow your chance , you're should be out.no excuses. if you are stupid enough to not to realize how lucky you are to be in that position , and fuck it up, you shouldnt be allowed back, i don't care how talented you are. you all know damn well, if that were you or me, we would'nt get our jobs back. that's fact. this goes for plax, vick, lewis, and all the other morons who are making millions, but can't decipher right from wrong. fuck 'em all. one shot , or you're done!! 

[Spider-Dan]

This is semantics either way.  Lets just say that Porter was saying hi to Buress.  If he was willing to do what he did on national TV, do you think there is any doubt Porter wouldn't prefer to have Buress on his team?

Of course he would like to have his friend on his team.  I'm sure Jason Taylor would also like to have Zach on the team.

[Spider-Dan]

i believe whole heartedly that you get one shot in this life at something as special as playing in the NFL. if you blow your chance , you're should be out.no excuses. if you are stupid enough to not to realize how lucky you are to be in that position , and fuck it up, you shouldnt be allowed back, i don't care how talented you are.

So you think we should cut Ricky immediately, then?

[dolphantom]

So you think we should cut Ricky immediately, then?

yeah, i do. cut 'em all. you fuck up, you should be gone. no matter the talent.
 seriously, dan, do you really think its fair that these guys get so many chances? especially with the money they make? my 10 yr old son can show more responsibility than that. in the real world , none of us would get 1 chance to get our job back, let alone 2 or 3. these guys take the opportunity they are givin for granted,and think they can do whatever they want without consequence. and all the owners and the commissioner let them get away with it.whatever it takes to fill the seats. in any sport. its a shame. 

[Spider-Dan]

seriously, dan, do you really think its fair that these guys get so many chances? especially with the money they make?

In a word, yes.

I think you seriously underestimate how good these guys are at their job, and how hard they've worked to get where they are.  The NFL is the end result of hundreds of thousands (millions?) of players competing directly against each other.  At every stage of the process (high school, college, pro), you are competing against some of the best players there are, who have no goal but to make you fail at your job.

Comparing pro athletes to everyday laymen working at an office, or a factory, or a construction yard is beyond ludicrous.  If you did some of the things that these people do, you probably would get fired... because there are thousands of people who can do your jobs just as good (if not better).  This is also the reason why you get paid much less than they do.

Any NFL owner that treated his players like middle-class laymen would quickly find himself with one of the worst teams in the league.

[dolphantom]

In a word, yes.

I think you seriously underestimate how good these guys are at their job, and how hard they've worked to get where they are.  The NFL is the end result of hundreds of thousands (millions?) of players competing directly against each other.  At every stage of the process (high school, college, pro), you are competing against some of the best players there are, who have no goal but to make you fail at your job.

Comparing pro athletes to everyday laymen working at an office, or a factory, or a construction yard is beyond ludicrous.  If you did some of the things that these people do, you probably would get fired... because there are thousands of people who can do your jobs just as good (if not better).  This is also the reason why you get paid much less than they do.

Any NFL owner that treated his players like middle-class laymen would quickly find himself with one of the worst teams in the league.

dan, and  i mean this with the utmost respect for your opinion.....are you for real?
you are making these guys out to be beyond human, or superior because they can catch a pass, or run, or throw a ball. you cant be serious.you say there are thousands of young players that compete against one another to get a job? well guess what, any one of them would give up their soul to play in the pros. and thats what makes them so replaceable. no matter how good they are. and thats the problem here, nobody puts this issue into its  proper perspective. this is just a game. no more, no less.  some call it show business. maybe it is. but to say comparing what they do, as a job,  to someone like a soldier , for instance, or a firefighter, or a heart surgeon, is just plain ignorant to say the least. they play ball. a kids game . they are not special. not above the law. they wipe their ass just like you and me. there is no Godly reason why they , as athletes, should have more rights, or chances than any one of us. and by the way, the NFL is the result of hard work like you say. but it is also a crapshoot, luck of the draw, and who you know. such as anything in life. there is no guarantee , no matter how hard you work, that you will ever see the NFL. that is where i make my point. if you are lucky enough, yes "lucky" , to make it into the NFL without getting skipped over or even injured , than you should cherish the chance and make the best of it. and that means to not go out with loaded guns, and get arrested for murder. every kid in pop warner football dreams of getting into the pros. you think they will all make it? no. and if they do, you think its ok for someone to break the rules at will, because they are exceptional at their job? do you realize how stupid that sounds? comon , man . lets be rational now.

[Spider-Dan]

Listen, it's very simple:

Millions of people want the jobs that pro athletes have.  Subsequently, there is a lot of competition for these jobs.  Literally billions of dollars are spent based solely on the prospect of watching these players play a game.

Is an NFL player more "important" than a teacher, or a firefighter, or a police officer?  Does it even matter?  The plain and simple fact is that more people want to have their job, and more people want to pay them to perform.  Many, many, MANY more.

So comparing "working stiffs" to NFL players is just silly, regardless of the function that they perform.  Owners are in the business of making money, and discarding effective (but troubled) players does not help you make more money.

[dolphantom]

Listen, it's very simple:

Millions of people want the jobs that pro athletes have.  Subsequently, there is a lot of competition for these jobs.  Literally billions of dollars are spent based solely on the prospect of watching these players play a game.

Is an NFL player more "important" than a teacher, or a firefighter, or a police officer?  Does it even matter?  The plain and simple fact is that more people want to have their job, and more people want to pay them to perform.  Many, many, MANY more.

So comparing "working stiffs" to NFL players is just silly, regardless of the function that they perform.  Owners are in the business of making money, and discarding effective (but troubled) players does not help you make more money.

dan, i totally get it. i  understand your point entirely, but that does not make it right.  and thats my point. i know its about money, and entertainment, but if there are millions of people who want these jobs, shouldn't that make these guys appreciate what they have more than most? if everyone wants to be a pro athlete , like you say , and they (athletes) are constantly fighting for their job, then these chosen few should guard it(their job) with their life, being someone else , with equal or greater talent can come along and take it away from them. if the league would just implement a one-shot rule  so they would behave, maybe we wouldnt have the off field problems with so many athletes. what it comes down to is greed. and its just wrong. athletes are not heroes, they are overpaid entertainers that should not be justified, cannonized, or rewarded with second chances for bad  behavior just because of celebrity status, or talent. thats all....thanks for the debate, dan.

[Dave Gray]

When you live in capitalism, there's no such thing as overpaid.  People get paid what they're worth.  So, if you screw up, but you're still the best at your job, and the risk pays off, you're going to get your job back.  That's just the way a free market works.

[NADS]

I wouldn't take Plax due to the age factor and it seems like everyone that gets out of jail doesn't really perform that well when they get back. 

[Phishfan]

When you live in capitalism, there's no such thing as overpaid.  People get paid what they're worth. 

It is all realtive to each person though. The NFL owners and system may not think they are overpaid, but Joe Blow does.

[CF DolFan]

It is all realtive to each person though. The NFL owners and system may not think they are overpaid, but Joe Blow does.

I don't think what anyone "thinks" is relavant to what Dave is saying. If people are willing to watch you sit and spin for an hour and pay you millions of dollars to do it then that is what you are worth.  If people didn't want to spend the money on doctors or lawyers then they wouldn't be worth anything. It's all relative to what someone is willing to pay for your services and not neccesarily what it is that you do.

In reality it doesn't matter what owners or players think they are worth because if Joe Blow wasn't spending the money to watch them they wouldn't be getting paid.

[Spider-Dan]

if everyone wants to be a pro athlete , like you say , and they (athletes) are constantly fighting for their job, then these chosen few should guard it(their job) with their life, being someone else , with equal or greater talent can come along and take it away from them.

If someone with equal or greater talent comes along, then it doesn't matter how great of a citizen they are, they'll wind up losing their job.  That's the point.

If PHI had a backup QB with equal or greater talent than Michael Vick, they wouldn't have signed him.  But they didn't.
If CIN had a roster of WRs with equal or greater talent than Chris Henry, they would have released him.  But they don't.
If MIA had a roster of RBs with equal or greater talent than Ricky, they would have released him.  But they don't.

The purpose of a one-shot rule (like the one you propose) would specifically be to override a simple, straightforward evaluation of ability.

[dolphantom]

When you live in capitalism, there's no such thing as overpaid.  People get paid what they're worth.  So, if you screw up, but you're still the best at your job, and the risk pays off, you're going to get your job back.  That's just the way a free market works.

unfortunately, dave, you are right on the money.so is dan. it just sucks that the world operates this way.
but then again, nobody ever said life is fair...i'm not ignorant to the way it is, i just don't agree with it.