The Confederacy

[Buddhagirl]

I love that I'm always on Defense's mind.

[Dave Gray]

The agenda of the German Nazi, the whole point was to EXTERMINATE the race. 4 Million were killed in a little over 5 yrs?

Perhaps by some of the higher-ups, but your average Nazi didn't even know about the extermination game, much less the average civilian who supported the movement.

Realize this: Nazis are painted as pure evil by history (and rightfully so), but before they got into killing Jews, they were a political party since during World War 1, almost 25 years before the holocaust went down.  While antisemitism (blaming Jews and a whole slew of other non-Germans for economic strife) was part of the platform, genocide wasn't a selling point.  It was an anti-communist, anti-democracy, anti-liberalism, anti-homosexuality movement, with the belief that those woes were contributing to the economic problems in Germany.

It's not really accurate to simplify the plight of Nazis to Jewish extermination.  While it evolved to that in the last few years, and to what I'm sure many Nazis felt was the perversion of their beliefs, it began much like slavery, with the belief that a certain sect of people were not due basic human rights, and reaping the economic benefits from that belief.

In fact, I think that slavery and the holocaust is a very apt comparison in this case.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

 
Because I won't admit it was the most horrible thing ever done to humans on this planet?   

Without debating which was worse:

Can you agree both were extreme and unforgivable violations of basic human rights? 

If yes, can you agree that it wrong to pay homage to those who commit extreme and unforgivable violations of basic human rights? 

Can you agree that the confederate flag was the flag and symbol of those who took up arms against the government of the United States to defend this extreme and unforgivable violation of basic human rights? 

Can you agree it is wrong to pay tribute to those who would go to war with the United States to defend this extreme and unforgivable violation of basic human rights? 

Can you agree that flying the confederate flag is paying homage and respect to those went to war with the United States to defend an extreme and unforgivable violation of basic human rights?

And without deciding which wrong is a worse wrong, can you agree that is wrong both to march thru Skokie, Illinois with a Nazi flag and wrong to waive the confederate flag.   

[Defense54]

I love that I'm always on Defense's mind.

I knew you were Teasing me! Sorry married though.........

[Phishfan]

 

If yes, can you agree that it wrong to pay homage to those who commit extreme and unforgivable violations of basic human rights? 

If you honestly beleive this then you just publicly denounced many of our country's Founding Fathers.

[Defense54]

Hoodie, Your one of those people that just likes to put labels on things. You won't delve deeper or try to understand anything further. Just look at the flag and throw a label on it. Have you even left that little hole in the NE and traveled and met with southern people? Ever get thier views, what they have seen. What is going on right now?  I thought you were more intelligent then that.

[Tenshot13]

  I thought you were more intelligent then that.

Really?

[bsmooth]

According the records that the Nazi's kept and were used against them during the post war trials the total number of Jews killed was closer to 5 million than 6.
The travesty is that in all the sympathy the Jews have gathered for the crimes committed against them, the other and bigger genocide has been buried by the suffering the Jews went through.
The Nazi's killed over twice as many Slavs as they did Jews as they wanted to turn all of Eastern Europe into vast farmland for the Reich and they tried to remove every Slav. Whole villages and cities were liquidated years before the mass exterminations of Jews started in the camps.
I would suggest reading a great book called Masters of Death which goes over the whole genocide of over 20 million people and how it was planned and executed.

[Defense54]

Really?

LOL!..........Your right, I was trolling a bit on that one!   

[Fred Finstoned]

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
 Our forefathers would never dream of doing the things the Nazi's did. After the Union took care of the Confederacy and joined this country as one they finally had time to get on to bigger and better things!

            THE EXTERMINATION OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN!!

[JVides]

Without commenting on the discussion, refer to the Kansas-Nebraska Act to learn all you need to know about how "state rights" tied in quite nicely with slavery in pointing the nation towards civil war.  The South was concerned that new states would enter the Union as free states, thus diluting the South's power in Congress.  The tension regarding free-slave states goes back to the country's formation, even, but began to get really tense in the early 1800's (The Missouri Compromise of 1820 being an example or this being addressed).

The Civil War was all about slavery, couched as state rights.

[Defense54]

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
 Our forefathers would never dream of doing the things the Nazi's did. After the Union took care of the Confederacy and joined this country as one they finally had time to get on to bigger and better things!

            THE EXTERMINATION OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN!!

Yeah , but they live Tax free now and are Millioniares. All we did is gave the black race BET and Oprah..........ohhh, And Tyler Perry movies!!

[CF DolFan]

The strangest thing is only a minority of people owned slaves. As an outsider it seems very odd to me that 90+% of the people would die for a small minorities right to own slaves.

[Defense54]

The strangest thing is only a minority of people owned slaves. As an outsider it seems very odd to me that 90+% of the people would die for a small minorities right to own slaves.

All were immigrants from the UK area. They had problems with different counties, Ireland, Scotland all the time. It was how things were done.  The Civil war had alot of issues other then slavery. But there are those that like to rewrite History to fit their agenda and their purpose. The will seek out injustice everywhere in Lynard Skynard and in Walmart Cretins , anywhere to make themselves into Victims.

[bsmooth]

The strangest thing is only a minority of people owned slaves. As an outsider it seems very odd to me that 90+% of the people would die for a small minorities right to own slaves.

That same minority was also the power elite that controlled everything in the south. The people who willingly went off to die were fed the line that they were doing it for states right and to protect the southern way of life from those yankees.