Terrorists storm US Capitol building; DC National Guard activated

[Tenshot13]

Just because you were offended doesn't make my statement offensive.  Snowflake

That's cute coming from you.  Continue with your circle jerk, don't mind me.

[Dave Gray]

Being an apologist to hoodie because he can't articulate a point without being offensive is what I'm referring to.

I see.

I don't think I'm apologizing for him, so much as I'm trying to reiterate his point in a way that might make more sense to other people, since I largely understand where he's coming from.

[Sunstroke]

Just because you were offended doesn't make my statement offensive.  Snowflake

Unless you really just enjoy arguing with folks, I might recommend putting some work in on your people skills.

[Fau Teixeira]

just btw .. an apologist isn't someone who apologizes .. it's someone who defends or excuses a controversial idea

so saying that someone is an apologist for holocaust denial doesn't mean he's sorry that holocaust denial exists .. it means he's defending or excusing holocaust denial

i don't think i was being an apologist for the record .. the idea that a coup against the government by the president is worse than a terrorist attack isn't controversial in my view

[Dolphster]

Unless you really just enjoy arguing with folks, I might recommend putting some work in on your people skills.

Yeah, that one is a real mystery.   

[Spider-Dan]

The Guy Who Flew a Confederate Flag in the Capitol Has Predictably Surrendered



The man who brought a confederate flag into the Capitol during the insurrection last week has, predictably, surrendered.

Kevin Seefried has been identified as the middle-aged goateed man who was photographed carrying a huge and historically racist confederate flag as he marched uninvited around the halls of Congress on Jan. 6. He surrendered to authorities in Wilmington, Delaware, on Thursday, along with his son, Hunter Seefried, according to the Department of Justice.

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The least surprising part of the article?

The two men confessed their riot attendance to FBI investigators, according to the court documents. Kevin told authorities that he normally flies the confederate flag in front of his Delaware home.

Ah yes, another history buff who just wants to give the proper respect to Delaware's Confederate past.  It's about heritage, not hate!

[Dolphster]

The thing that gets me about these morons is that they don't even think what they did was wrong.  They consider themselves "patriots".  They fancy themselves to be present day versions of the Founding Fathers who are going to "revolt against the traitors" and "take back America".   By utilizing the tactics that they chose they have made themselves about the farthest thing from patriots that they could possibly be.  And they have probably set the conservative movement back drastically because the prized middle ground voters are going to be pushed to the left because the right is now being associated with these dipshits.  They obviously represent a very small percentage of the conservative population but perception is everything and the right is now (at least temporarily) perceived as being these inbred yahoos who stormed the Capitol. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The thing that gets me about these morons is that they don't even think what they did was wrong.  They consider themselves "patriots".  They fancy themselves to be present day versions of the Founding Fathers who are going to "revolt against the traitors" and "take back America".   By utilizing the tactics that they chose they have made themselves about the farthest thing from patriots that they could possibly be.  And they have probably set the conservative movement back drastically because the prized middle ground voters are going to be pushed to the left because the right is now being associated with these dipshits.  They obviously represent a very small percentage of the conservative population but perception is everything and the right is now (at least temporarily) perceived as being these inbred yahoos who stormed the Capitol. 

Don’t blame these idiots for the blight on the GOP.  If Republicans weren’t continuing their big lie of election fraud they would be considered fringe nut cases. It is only because they are acting in furtherance of the Presidents, several senators and 2/3 of House republicans goal of overturn the fair election of Biden that the stain is on the GOP. 

And they don’t represent a very small percentage.  45% of Republicans support the insurrection.

 https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/07/US-capitol-trump-poll

The intrusion into the capitol was only one aspect of the failed coup.

[Dolphster]

Don’t blame these idiots for the blight on the GOP.  If Republicans weren’t continuing their big lie of election fraud they would be considered fringe nut cases. It is only because they are acting in furtherance of the Presidents, several senators and 2/3 of House republicans goal of overturn the fair election of Biden that the stain is on the GOP. 

And they don’t represent a very small percentage.  45% of Republicans support the insurrection.

 https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/07/US-capitol-trump-poll

The intrusion into the capitol was only one aspect of the failed coup.

I am very dubious of that poll.  It is either wrong or I am fortunate enough that literally none of my many Republican friends are in that 45%.  Because every single one that I have talked to about it found what happened at the Capitol to be abhorrent. 

[Dave Gray]

Don’t blame these idiots for the blight on the GOP.  If Republicans weren’t continuing their big lie of election fraud they would be considered fringe nut cases.

Exactly.  These people didn't come to this on their own.  Trump (and much of the Republican establishment and conservative media) have been parroting what they know is bullshit.  These are the doofuses who didn't have the sense to sniff it out.

I must say, their actions don't surprise me.  If I had nothing to lose and I truly believed that people like me voted to change the country, but it was denied by a secret cabal of deep-state pedophiles that were stealing my chance at prosperity and were sacrificing my family to the Chinese, I'd be mobbing, too.  So would all of us.  But I know it's bullshit, firstly.  And secondly, I have a lot to lose.  I have it pretty good.

Rioting is the inevitable action of an oppressed people who are out of options within the system, so they tear down the system.

The issue here is that these people were made to feel like they were the oppressed and were lied to about the consequences if they didn't rise up.  They probably thought they didn't have a choice.

[Spider-Dan]

I am very dubious of that poll.  It is either wrong or I am fortunate enough that literally none of my many Republican friends are in that 45%.  Because every single one that I have talked to about it found what happened at the Capitol to be abhorrent.

There are at least three conservative posters here who seem to believe that either a) the invasion was fine or b) it's no worse than the protests over the summer.

[Dolphster]

Exactly.  These people didn't come to this on their own.  Trump (and much of the Republican establishment and conservative media) have been parroting what they know is bullshit.  These are the doofuses who didn't have the sense to sniff it out.

I must say, their actions don't surprise me.  If I had nothing to lose and I truly believed that people like me voted to change the country, but it was denied by a secret cabal of deep-state pedophiles that were stealing my chance at prosperity and were sacrificing my family to the Chinese, I'd be mobbing, too.  So would all of us.  But I know it's bullshit, firstly.  And secondly, I have a lot to lose.  I have it pretty good.

Rioting is the inevitable action of an oppressed people who are out of options within the system, so they tear down the system.

The issue here is that these people were made to feel like they were the oppressed and were lied to about the consequences if they didn't rise up.  They probably thought they didn't have a choice.

Why you always gotta be a voice of reason and sensibility?  Political discussions in here are supposed to be vitriolic and fueled solely by passion and emotions.  

[CF DolFan]

The Capitol invasion was MUCH worse than 9/11.  

Was it as bad when BLM leader and supporter helped to set off a bomb that actually went off in the Senate wing of the Capitol among her other crimes? Jerry Nadler and President Clinton apparently didn't think blowing up the Capitol was too bad because Jerry convinced Bill to pardon her.  


The people are idiots and come from different lifestyles. Hell ... even mainstream media is admitting that BLM activists were in disguise as MAGA part of the ones egging them on. this is the latest one to be exposed.

BLM activist egged on Capitol rioters: Left-winger who told CNN he was there simply to document the siege is arrested after video reveals he shouted 'it's our house' and 'we got to get this s**t burned'https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9149861/Left-wing-activist-arrested-relation-siege-Capitol-Building.html

I'm not making excuses just saying they are a bunch of idiots who all need to be arrested and the "hidden" ones egging the domestic terrorists on should be twice as guilty ... but that's just my opinion.

The FBI knew this was planned before it happened. It wasn't spurned by any hate speech by any politician. It started 20 minutes before Trump's speech was even over and he was 20 minutes away. 75 million people voted for Trump and yet a very small amount of supposed supporters did a really dumb thing.

It's kind of a sign of the times because the new way is to blame others for anything stupid we do ourselves. No accountability in this new America because someone else is ultimately responsible for my actions. In the old days we would have noted them as extremist or domestic terrorists who were looking for trouble and then our Democratic president would have pardoned them. hahaha 

[Dolphster]

There are at least three conservative posters here who seem to believe that either a) the invasion was fine or b) it's no worse than the protests over the summer.

Well you do have a point there.  So maybe it really is just that the people I hang out with are on the moderate side of the Republican party.  I will be pretty disappointed if 45% of Republicans really do feel that way.  I always feel like the proverbial "man without a country" because my own political and social beliefs don't neatly align with any specific party.  Some of my beliefs fall in with the Democratic platform, some with the Republican platform, and some with the Libertarian platform.  

[CF DolFan]

I am very dubious of that poll.  It is either wrong or I am fortunate enough that literally none of my many Republican friends are in that 45%.  Because every single one that I have talked to about it found what happened at the Capitol to be abhorrent. 

and among my hundreds of friends I would agree with you. Most conservatives find it very wrong. It's the Democrats who find no fault with their own.