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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2010, 04:55:27 pm »

Although I think that the coaching and OC leave something to be desired. I just think that Henne is not smart enough or process information quick enough to be anything than a backup in the NFL.
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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2010, 05:02:22 pm »

Here's more evidence of why the problem is not Henne, but goes MUCH deeper.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-dolphins-bills-1220-20101219,0,1633607.column

Henne made the right read and throw.  Even Sparano said he did.  What do you want Henne to do?  Talk about not being able to make Chicken Salad out of Chicken Shit.  This is what this coaching staff is asking of Henne.  Make something out of NOTHING.

I'm not talking about a check down on a two man route.... Of course he made the right read what other read was there?

I'm talking about on the blitzes that he took sacks on!  He didn't even notice the safety on the LOS one play pre snap because he never looked to his left. That's is his fault and he got sacked the same way against the Jets last week and he was looking right at the Jet's LB on the LOS unaccounted for.

You see Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees even  Sanchez pointing those out to his line to change pass protection.  You never see Henne making any pass protection calls just check downs!
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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2010, 05:11:51 pm »

I'm talking about on the blitzes that he took sacks on!  He didn't even notice the safety on the LOS one play pre snap because he never looked to his left. That's is his fault and he got sacked the same way against the Jets last week and he was looking right at the Jet's LB on the LOS unaccounted for.

You see Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees even  Sanchez pointing those out to his line to change pass protection.  You never see Henne making any pass protection calls just check downs!
And yet the coaches actually called him out for calling the incorrect pass protection on a blitz just last week that got him sacked.  If he doesn't call the pass protections, why are the coaches saying that he is?  Could it be that in fact he IS calling out pass protections like every other QB in the NFL, but that his offensive line isn't picking them up like they are supposed to?  It's also possible that he's calling them out incorrectly like the coaches said, but that CAN be fixed.  I don't believe it's a case of him simply not noticing these things as much as it's a problem with the execution.  He's not the first QB to struggle with these kinds of reads, nor will he be the last, I think he can improve on it. 

I'd be much more worried if the problem was that he didn't have the arm strength or accuracy to make NFL caliber throws because that's not typically something that QB's get better at with practice.
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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2010, 05:33:23 pm »

Chad Henne through (nearly) 2 seasons as a starter:

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YARDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2009  MIA 14 274 451 60.8 2878 6.4  12  67 14  75.2
2010  MIA 13 266 430 61.9 2952 6.9  14  57 16  77.6

Drew Brees in his first 2 seasons as a starter:

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YARDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2002 SD 16 320 526 60.8   3284  6.2  17 52    16  76.9
2003 SD 11 205 356 57.6   2108  5.9  11 68   15  67.5


But sure..write off another quarterback before he has a full season as a starter in the NFL..try and find Dan Marino 2.0..HE'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE..THE 12th YEAR IN THE SEARCH IS THE CHARM..gimmie a break..might as well leave Henne in and see what he can do, and I reiterate, WITH A FULL SEASON UNDER HIS BELT..but honestly it doesn't matter who the QB is with the way our division is playing..get used to the 3rd place finishes guys..same old Dolphins
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2010, 07:58:49 pm »

Generally I've been a supporter of Henne all year, however his play has gone backwards this year.  Not sure if it's his fault, the coaches fault, or a combination.  Not to mention Ronnie Brown has been stinking it up all year!!  It's easy to say go out and get a franchise QB, in reality it's much more difficult.  More likely to end up with a bust at QB, than a franchise QB.  I'd rather see the Fins trade away the draft for a running back, more likely to have this type of position player make a difference.  What bothers me about Henne is his disastrous 2 minute drill play, taking a sack when in field goal range, and not picking up the blitzes.  I think with proper coaching he can improve in these departments.  The Fins need a new OC and a quality QB coach.
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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2010, 09:33:19 pm »

And yet the coaches actually called him out for calling the incorrect pass protection on a blitz just last week that got him sacked.  If he doesn't call the pass protections, why are the coaches saying that he is?  Could it be that in fact he IS calling out pass protections like every other QB in the NFL, but that his offensive line isn't picking them up like they are supposed to?  It's also possible that he's calling them out incorrectly like the coaches said, but that CAN be fixed.  I don't believe it's a case of him simply not noticing these things as much as it's a problem with the execution.  He's not the first QB to struggle with these kinds of reads, nor will he be the last, I think he can improve on it. 

I'd be much more worried if the problem was that he didn't have the arm strength or accuracy to make NFL caliber throws because that's not typically something that QB's get better at with practice.

So since they called him out last week that erases all the other times he doesn't make any protection calls at all? Huh

Like that sack by the LB I was speaking of right in his face!  He didn't make any call at all and the LB came in untouched and sacked him...  same yesterday he made no call or protection change the safety walked right to the LOS and came in untouched but Henne stepped into the nose tackle who got the sack.

I like Henne's arm but he needs to start paying attention to the entire field not just the primary receiver side...
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2010, 10:10:12 am »

So since they called him out last week that erases all the other times he doesn't make any protection calls at all? Huh
It merely proves that he does call protections even if you don't believe he does.  It also doesn't erase the bad plays, nothing does, even him calling protections. Every QB in the league gets sacked on blitzes.  Every last one of them.  Why do you think defenses blitz anyway?  If it didn't work on anybody but Henne, no one would use them except when they play Miami.
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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2010, 10:30:57 am »

It merely proves that he does call protections even if you don't believe he does.  It also doesn't erase the bad plays, nothing does, even him calling protections. Every QB in the league gets sacked on blitzes.  Every last one of them.  Why do you think defenses blitz anyway?  If it didn't work on anybody but Henne, no one would use them except when they play Miami.


No, what it proves is he has made a protection call ( it was the wrong call at the time may I add) doesn't mean he calls them when he needs too or regularly.  Teams blitz because you can't give QB's time in the pocket to just survey coverage defenders can only cover so long...  and yes it's effective If you blitz because the QB doesn't have time to look or wait for a receiver to come open.

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« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2010, 10:37:43 am »

Miami allows sacks on 6.1% of passing plays, compared to the league average of 6.4%.

That's not exactly terrible. And while I don't doubt that you can point to Henne on certain individual plays, the past month has been horrible compared to the rest of the season (the middle part of which was VERY good in that respect), which seems to correlate more with poor O-line play than any sudden change in Henne's ability to recognize a blitz.
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« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2010, 10:58:17 am »

Miami allows sacks on 6.1% of passing plays, compared to the league average of 6.4%.

That's not exactly terrible. And while I don't doubt that you can point to Henne on certain individual plays, the past month has been horrible compared to the rest of the season (the middle part of which was VERY good in that respect), which seems to correlate more with poor O-line play than any sudden change in Henne's ability to recognize a blitz.

Don't get me wrong I'm not blaming Henne for all the offenses sacks...  I'm just saying he misses some of the easier reads.  You should notice a safety walked up on the LOS or a LB standing on the LOS unaccounted for!

I've been watching him closely the last few weeks and a lot of what Rich Gannon pointed out during the broadcast is the same stuff I've noticed.  He needs to work on seeing the field and his awareness! 

He needs to survey the defense better when walking up to center.  Glance to the non play side before snap more often...
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« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2010, 10:34:00 pm »

Here is my 2 cents worth,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bzZEtOcb8
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