Oceangate Titan debacle

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I think you would be surprised that most of the people that died knew there were risks, but they went anyway. I mean they signed a waiver that explicitly states you could die in it several times. The very fact you have to sign a waiver is a dead giveaway that there are serious risks. Because they ignored them you don't think they were aware? No. They were aware and they felt invincible because up to this point they have been. Ok, no harm in that. People die of doing stupid shit all the time because they don't think about the consequences.

I signed a waiver when I signed up for a 5 k road race that stated I could die.  I fully expected to survive the race.  (Spooler Alert) I did.

[Spider-Dan]

Yeah, even moderately risky activity is going to have waivers.  Even to get a ski resort lift ticket, there's a waiver that states "I understand that these
recreational activities involve inherent RISKS OF INJURY AND DEATH."

The difference is that OceanGate went out of their way to evade safety regulations because regulations stifle innovation.

[Pappy13]

I signed a waiver when I signed up for a 5 k road race that stated I could die.  I fully expected to survive the race.  (Spooler Alert) I did.

Did it state it multiple times? Did it list out the ways you could die?

I've read over and over from people that went on this trip that safety is at the top of everyone's mind before they go. The guy that backed out on this very trip did so over safety concerns. Not sure how many people have safely completed a 5K but I think the odds of dieing in a 5K are just a wee bit lower.

https://www.insider.com/titanic-submersible-former-passenger-waiver-page-1-death-3-times-2023-6

The people that went knew what they were getting into. They didn't expect to die, but they knew it was a possibility if anything went wrong and in every previous attempt, something did go wrong, just didn't end in the death of everyone.

[Dave Gray]

Waivers don't really mean all that much.  They mean something, but it doesn't absolve you of everything.  Negligence is still negligence.

[CF DolFan]

Waivers don't really mean all that much.  They mean something, but it doesn't absolve you of everything.  Negligence is still negligence.

I think the point was they knew there was a reasonable risk that they could die. It's pretty obvious he is most likely negligent either way.