Bill Parcells vs. Jason Taylor

[run_to_win]

JT is paid 8 mil a year to shut his trap and play football.

Right.  "Play football."  What games has he missed? 

If he plays like crap then we can all second guess his decision and claim that missing off-season work outs 3 months before training camp really hurt his ability.

99 times out of 100 I'd side with management, but you don't treat your best producing employee this way. 

[JVides]

Right.  "Play football."  What games has he missed? 

If he plays like crap then we can all second guess his decision and claim that missing off-season work outs 3 months before training camp really hurt his ability.

99 times out of 100 I'd side with management, but you don't treat your best producing employee this way. 

Exactly, RTW.  He's missed no games.  Hell, he's missed nothing mandatory yet! 

[phinphan]

I have to take JT's side on this. He has been one of the few consistent players on our roster.Some people have said he needs to shut his mouth and get in voluntary work outs.The way I see it he has shown nothing but class.Parcels started off saying Jason would be a dolphin unless he retired,then he put him out looking for a trade, then he started leaking to the press that he was dissatisfied with Jason for not being in voluntary practice.Does he hold a press conference and start putting down the new regime No. He says they have not spoken to me. I took that to mean if you have a problem with me, call me lets talk. So then Tony holds a press conference saying Jason wont be attending any workouts . Lets not forget parcels is not the first football god brought in to help us.JJ was supposed to do the same thing remember how that turned out.I have to wonder how many people would think he was wrong about voluntary workouts if when they showed up at work and found a memo that said mon thru fri is mandatory but we want you to voluntarily work Saturday's. Oh and if you don't we will give your parking place and office to somebody else.There is a reason they cant force them to work year round.I have no doubt that when the season starts Jason will be ready,unfortunately "thanks to bill"He may be wearing different colors.

[ethurst2]

Fact Number 1:   Jason Taylor had been struggling with the decision to retire even before the start of last year.

Fact Number 2:   Most of you guys are saying "Honor the contract", Honor the contract. There are no such things as "contracts" in the National Football League' They are in essence known as "tenders" which means that for any reason, your tender can be altered, cancelled or changed by management. Players get guaranteed money in some cases and incentives (which they may not ever reach).

Football players are really "contractors" not employees. They are Form W-9 contractors and the W-9 is handled by agents. They are NOT on the Miami Dolphins corporate payroll but are listed as "contractors". If they are cut or waived, they don't get unemployment. Any of you that run a business or have ever had a business knows that it's a huge difference between a listed contractor or vendor that you have a business relationship with or an employee that's on your payroll. The agent of entity known as the football player are responsible for reporting their own taxes, etc.



Fact Number 3:  I agree with Warren Sapp. The NFL IS a slave system and we are too blind to see it. I'm talking about for all athletes, black and white. You don't have many owners who care about the players. Parcells caring about players is the biggest crock that I've ever heard of. He cares about them from the standpoint of using them until they can't do anything anymore and discards them.

Look at the NFL combine, they measure the size of a players tendon, examine their anatomy, strip them naked and prod and poke them like animals. Do most of you realized that this kind of inspection happened when slaves were being traded? The only difference is that the auction block is replaced by the draft board.

And again, none of this measures the heart and desire of a player. If that was the case, Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas would have been first round picks.

Fact Number 4:  Bill Parcells as a great football mind? Sorry. That title goes to Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi. Parcells isn't even in Walsh zip code or Lombardi's neighborhood. Everywhere Parcells has gone, when he has left, it has always been under a cloud of controversy.

I get tired of all these news outlets rolling out players who pretty much kiss Parcells ass on television (Simms, Keyshawn, etc) but the truth is that players hate him. You never see Harry Carson, Leonard Marshall or even Lawrence Taylor come out and always kiss this mans' ass. It's because they knew the real reason behind the success of Parcells is the coaches that he would never let talk to the public because in essence, Parcells SUCKS at X's and O's. If you want to talk about the defenses that Parcells had you can't do it without mentioning the genius of that guy up in New England.

Fact Number 5:  These OTA days are voluntary. This is a crock. The NFLPA and Gene Upshaw should just say, hey, it's a mini-mini training camp but Upshaw kisses the leagues ass on many issues.

Fact Number 6: Wayne H. doesn't care. He's on his way out. He should have stepped in and diffused this. I don't hear a lot of you guys talking about the community work that Taylor or even Zach Thomas has done. At least Taylor has been VERY visible in the community, trying to follow in Dan Marino's lead. No, but that doesn't count.

Another great Huizenga leadership moment and this guy has a business program named after him at Nova University?

Fact Number 7:   I'd retire if I was Taylor.  Taylor last year, SAVED THE DOLPHINS from going 0-16 by blocking Stovers kick, having the sense to call time out before the Stover miss and sacked Boller on a critical drive but yet he's selfish?

Here's a guy that showed up every game last year playing with a torn tendon in his foot and he's selfish? Do you know how painful it is to walk on a torn tendon on the bottom of your foot. Did Taylor miss a game? NO!

Fact Number 8:  Wayne has did the impossible. He has alienated the Miami Dolphin fan based and turned Dolphin fans to finding another "home" team. From 1994 to the present, Wayne has totally proved that money is more than anything else. Dumb coaching moves, questionable ticket raises, bad strategic and football management and now, the desperados that are so foreign to the Dolphin community that they don't care about the fans.

Fact Number 9:  Tony Sparano is a "puppet". Remember, like that guy last year, Sparano has NO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE. He doesn't even come close to Hudson Houck who is know in NFL circles for turning linemen into Hall Of Famers. You guys thought that Nick Saban was bad? Parcells is the absolute dictator. In Dallas, it was Sean Payton calling the plays not Sparano.

Fact Number 10:  Last but not least, I understand wanting to have a winning football team but you don't alienate fans and the community. The Green Bay Packers organization tell coaches and employees that the one thing that they must remember is that they have to have the ability to integrate with the fans. I met the late Joe Robbie and that's something that he believed in regardless of what the teams record was.

You guys will see that Parcells will be more of a problem instead of the solution. Miami should have brought in Floyd Reese.

Retire Jason, ^&*& the Super Bowl. It has become overrated anyway in a league in which you can buy or cheat your way to a title.

[Spider-Dan]

I'll reiterate my previous statements:

Loyalty is a two-way street.  Management showed zero loyalty to Zach Thomas, JT's brother-in-law and career-long multiple-Pro Bowl teammate.  Why the hell should he bend over backwards to accommodate them?

JT tries to participate in an event that can help him greatly in his (fast approaching) post-football life, completely during CBA-mandated voluntary camps, and the coaches give him the cold shoulder.  Then he quietly and respectfully asks for a trade behind closed doors (instead of shouting to the media like any number of cancerous WRs), with plenty of advance notice for them to acquire replacement talent in free agency and the draft, and they ignore it.  This is supposed to engender loyalty to the team?

People talk about honoring contracts; Taylor has the contractual right to hold out for up to 10 regular season games.  This is a right that was negotiated and fought for.  In EXACTLY the same way that under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, management has the right to cut any player at any time, any player also has the right to hold out.

Please try to be consistent when you criticize players for "not living up to their contracts."

[DolFan619]

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2008/05/taylor-drama-no.html

Taylor drama not as bad as I thought it would be

After discussing Wednesday's statement by Tony Sparano about Jason Taylor with representatives for BOTH sides, I asked myself this question: Why don't I get a real job?

No, actually I asked myself, 'What has changed?'

The answer is very little. We now know beyond a shadow of doubt that there is a rift between Jason Taylor and the Dolphins. Big deal. Been saying that since March. There's a fracture, people.

The bottom line is the Dolphins, I am told, are actively trying to trade Taylor. And Taylor is actively seeking roles and opportunities in Hollywood. Chances are pretty solid Taylor will not play for the Dolphins in 2008.

But that is not absolute. Taylor still has not publicly ripped the Dolphins. And today's announcement -- contrary to the crazy pundits crying that it is a slam -- did not publicly rip Taylor. Sparano's statement simply stated a fact that Taylor's camp had made known to the Dolphins.

So this is simply business being played out in the public light. I got no problems with it because, frankly, I expected much, much worse. Notice no one is PUBLICLY ripping the other side. If that happens, then we can say it has gotten ugly. But not until then.

[bsfins]

Hey ethurst...there is alot of stuff there you taking saying fact but are your opinions....I wish I could get my 2 minutes back after reading this....

Fact Number 3:  I agree with Warren Sapp. The NFL IS a slave system and we are too blind to see it. I'm talking about for all athletes, black and white. You don't have many owners who care about the players. Parcells caring about players is the biggest crock that I've ever heard of. He cares about them from the standpoint of using them until they can't do anything anymore and discards them.

Look at the NFL combine, they measure the size of a players tendon, examine their anatomy, strip them naked and prod and poke them like animals. Do most of you realized that this kind of inspection happened when slaves were being traded? The only difference is that the auction block is replaced by the draft board.

And again, none of this measures the heart and desire of a player. If that was the case, Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas would have been first round picks.

Yeah they are such slaves  ,Jason's contract for this year is more than some poeple will make in a life time....

Fact Number 4:  Bill Parcells as a great football mind? Sorry. That title goes to Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi. Parcells isn't even in Walsh zip code or Lombardi's neighborhood. Everywhere Parcells has gone, when he has left, it has always been under a cloud of controversy.

I get tired of all these news outlets rolling out players who pretty much kiss Parcells ass on television (Simms, Keyshawn, etc) but the truth is that players hate him. You never see Harry Carson, Leonard Marshall or even Lawrence Taylor come out and always kiss this mans' ass. It's because they knew the real reason behind the success of Parcells is the coaches that he would never let talk to the public because in essence, Parcells SUCKS at X's and O's. If you want to talk about the defenses that Parcells had you can't do it without mentioning the genius of that guy up in New England.

That's your opinion,he's known for spotting good talent and getting the most out of them...

Fact Number 7:   I'd retire if I was Taylor.  Taylor last year, SAVED THE DOLPHINS from going 0-16 by blocking Stovers kick, having the sense to call time out before the Stover miss and sacked Boller on a critical drive but yet he's selfish?

Here's a guy that showed up every game last year playing with a torn tendon in his foot and he's selfish? Do you know how painful it is to walk on a torn tendon on the bottom of your foot. Did Taylor miss a game? NO

I don't remember jason Blocking a kick against the Ravens last year,I remember Stover just plain missing one though....I remember Jason playing Te and dropping a TD pass.....

You're not Jason taylor,so Where's the fact? Last time I checked....

Fact Number 7:   I'd retire if I was Taylor.  Taylor last year, SAVED THE DOLPHINS from going 0-16 by blocking Stovers kick, having the sense to call time out before the Stover miss and sacked Boller on a critical drive but yet he's selfish?

Here's a guy that showed up every game last year playing with a torn tendon in his foot and he's selfish? Do you know how painful it is to walk on a torn tendon on the bottom of your foot. Did Taylor miss a game? NO!

The foot was 2 years ago not last year....and has nothing to do with His future....

Fact Number 6: Wayne H. doesn't care. He's on his way out. He should have stepped in and diffused this. I don't hear a lot of you guys talking about the community work that Taylor or even Zach Thomas has done. At least Taylor has been VERY visible in the community, trying to follow in Dan Marino's lead. No, but that doesn't count.

Another great Huizenga leadership moment and this guy has a business program named after him at Nova University?

Wayne promised  not to meddle, and Gave Parcells Full control....

[ethurst2]

I'll reiterate my previous statements:

Loyalty is a two-way street.  Management showed zero loyalty to Zach Thomas, JT's brother-in-law and career-long multiple-Pro Bowl teammate.  Why the hell should he bend over backwards to accommodate them?

JT tries to participate in an event that can help him greatly in his (fast approaching) post-football life, completely during CBA-mandated voluntary camps, and the coaches give him the cold shoulder.  Then he quietly and respectfully asks for a trade behind closed doors (instead of shouting to the media like any number of cancerous WRs), with plenty of advance notice for them to acquire replacement talent in free agency and the draft, and they ignore it.  This is supposed to engender loyalty to the team?

People talk about honoring contracts; Taylor has the contractual right to hold out for up to 10 regular season games.  This is a right that was negotiated and fought for.  In EXACTLY the same way that under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, management has the right to cut any player at any time, any player also has the right to hold out.

Please try to be consistent when you criticize players for "not living up to their contracts."

I agree SpiderDan. He didn't go out like Chad Johnson and whine about it. He has tried to handle this whole issue with class.

The Dolphins and the NFL dropped the ball on this one. With all the player trouble that they've been having off the field (especially the Dolphins with this new Will Allen situation) they could have used the publicity as a springboard to show NFL Players in a good light.

[ethurst2]

Hey ethurst...there is alot of stuff there you taking saying fact but are your opinions....I wish I could get my 2 minutes back after reading this....

Yeah they are such slaves  ,Jason's contract for this year is more than some poeple will make in a life time....

That's your opinion,he's known for spotting good talent and getting the most out of them...

You're not Jason taylor,so Where's the fact? Last time I checked....

The foot was 2 years ago not last year....and has nothing to do with His future....I don't remember jason Blocking a kick against the Ravens last year,I remember Stover just plain missing one though....I remember Jason playing Te and dropping a TD pass.....

Wayne promised  not to meddle, and Gave Parcells Full control....

Do you know that eight million dollars isn't anything? The Fed is printing conterfeit money and hasn't got caught yet.

Bill Parcells is overrated as far as talent evaluation. No one ever talks about the GM's who really made the choices (I did a thread on that last week). I outlined every GM and personnal person that Parcells worked with from his days with the Giants to the Cowboys, I'll find the link for you. I think I started it.

The NFL is a SLAVE system. There are very few guys making any type of money at all and their "contracts" are subject to be terminated. The NFL is the richest league in the whole world. Think of that. Owners make outrageous types of bread from a host of other league concessions voted on at the owners meeting. The owners run the plantation. There is blacklisting, life threats and bodily harm to players that don't conform to the "system". NFL Security is to protect the owners and not the players. You don't see NFL Security going after the owners unless they are  like Eddie DeBartalo of the 49ers and he was caught putting extra cash incentives into players contracts because he felt like they deserved it.

What if Taylor would not have called timeout to freeze Stover? Who knows but at least, he had his head in the game. More than I can say for Cam Cameron.

Most of you will see the true colors that Parcells is. And c'mon. You can't miss in the draft and free agency when the team NEEDS everything. It's more harder to tweak a team that has a few holes or who are just a couple of players away than it is to have needs for everything.

Anything that Wayne H. does with the Dolphins NEVER works! Sometimes, I think that Wayne H. went to Egypt and dug up the corpse of Imothep and we've been having bad luck ever since.

[Fau Teixeira]

bottom line is, on a 1-15 team, everyone's expendable .. if not having JT in the lineup causes us to go 5-11 instead of 7-9 then all that means is that we'll have a better draft pick for the following year.

If the dolphins are trying to trade him and no-one bites, then it behooves the team to play hardball with taylor.. they gain nothing from cutting him .. if he doesn't show up to mandatory camps and sits out games, then the team can fine him his salary for his non-participation.

The dolphins gain absolutely nothing from releasing JT .. they would be better off if he filed retirement papers with the league, then cutting him and having him sign with the Patriots or Colts.

If a team really wants him, then they should pony up in a trade.

I think SPI are playing this situation the proper way. JT doesn't owe anything to the new management team or to the dolphins .. and the new management team or the dolphins .. don't owe anything to JT ..

People might say that "JT played his heart out" .. and he got paid to do so .. "he stuck with the dolphins when they were losing" .. and he also got paid to do so.. unless a check bounced somewhere .. the dolphins don't owe JT crap

[Fau Teixeira]

and as far as the NFL is "slavery" comment... slavery all the way to the bank

[phinphan]

The dolphins gain absolutely nothing from releasing JT .. they would be better off if he filed retirement papers with the league, then cutting him and having him sign with the Patriots or Colts.

So then the press is correct, Parcels dosent backstep. He said from the beggining his only way out is retirement.Lets start the rumor Huzinga set JT up with hollywood if he would humbly go away.

[bsfins]

Amen Fau...

Do you know that eight million dollars isn't anything? The Fed is printing conterfeit money and hasn't got caught yet.

Wow How the hell do I ever get by on $26,000 a year?....Again 8 million is more than some people will make in their entire life of working......

[ARamsFan]

Hey bro just putcha over the top, were tied at 12 before. Go off to Jags, Rams, or Bucs

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Thanks for bumping this thread Dolfan619. 

And Philly.  I do apologize for starting that other one.  I completely forgot about it.  Although next time, please delete it and PM me rather than lock it.