Ted ginn gone!!

[dolphins4life]

On a different note, does this mean the R and R show won't be as much in effect in 2010? 

[Doc-phin]

Just heard an amazing thing on NFL Radio.

128 catches, 5 TD's.

Thats the CAREER numbers for Ginn. CAREER. Not one season, CAREER.

FYI- other than gis rookie year, Marshall has not caught less than 100 balls in a season, and has not had less than 6 TD's in a SEASON.

Do I actually have to say this...

Ginn year one - The 1-15 debackle with Cleo Lemon as our best QB nearly all of the year.
Ginn year two - Pennington throws dinks and dunks all year (Ginn is a deep threat player - don't think otherwise)
Ginn year three - Pennington goes down early, but sucked up untill the point he got hurt.  Rookie(ish) Henne comes in and the ground game is heavily relied upon untill Brown gets hurt toward the end of the year.

I honestly believe this was the first year Ginn actually had a legit shot to be what he was supposed to be.  I just can't help but think that a 5th rounder isn't going to make up for the potential we just lost.

[jtex316]

Doc-phin Calvin Johnson has had it FAR worse in Detroit, yet he is a great WR. I can't agree with that line of thinking. Great players make plays even on 0-16 teams.

[Fau Teixeira]

just to toss it out there .. the dolphins got the same for ginn that the steelers got for a superbowl MVP

[Philly Fin Fan]

Doc- Brian and I had been two of the biggest supporters of Ginn. But I'm over that now. I'm sick of making the arguments for him. Call me a fair weather fan of his if you want. He's gone. I'm over it.

[Philly Fin Fan]

just to toss it out there .. the dolphins got the same for ginn that the steelers got for a superbowl MVP

I was going to bring this up too!

[Brian Fein]

^^ A FORMER Super Bowl MVP who's suspended for 4 games...   The Jets stole Santonio...

I am with Dave.  I think he had physical tools to be a superstar in the league.  I am sad to see him go.

Here's what Ginn needs to improve:
- 4 hours a day in the gym with a personal trainer
- counseling

Ginn is a deep threat on a running team.  Bad fit.  If nothing else, teams got scared of him in the return game.  Its worth a 5th round pick to have a great kick returner.

I will agree that his first three seasons, he sucked big monkey balls.  But, I think he was poised to improve drastically with the addition of Brandon Marshall, and he was already valued on special teams.

Sadly, I just don't think the 5th rounder will be any more valuable than Ginn was. 

[bsfins]

I'm curious about the people that still want to keep him,Please tell me who's roster spot do you think he should take?...

Remember we also have Brandon Marshall...Hartline, Bess, and Camarillo can all contribute,and Patrick Turner may have been a bad pick, but is still probably cheaper than Ginn (I'm pretty sure)...Are you willing to sacrifice and Extra O-lineman? D -lineman? an extra DB?

(Had to come back, my internet connection screwed up sorry)

[Brian Fein]

I'm curious about the people that still want to keep him,Please tell me who's roster spot do you think he should take?...

Remember we also have Brandon Marshall...Hartline, Bess, and Camarillo can all contribute,and Patrick Turner may have been a bad pick, but is still probably cheaper than Ginn (I'm pretty sure)...Are you willing to sacrifice and Extra O-lineman? D -lineman? an extra DB?

(Had to come back, my internet connection screwed up sorry)

I'd rather have Ginn than Patrick "can't even get on the field for one play" Turner.

[hordman]

just to toss it out there .. the dolphins got the same for ginn that the steelers got for a superbowl MVP

excellent point.  ginn's only fault is that he was pick 9th in the draft by cam "sham" eron.  the man, while apparently a good team player and locker room guy, had too many drop balls and was afraid to get hit.

if the man could find hole or crease on a KO, he was gone, but he lacked the intuition sometimes to find that hole and looked to get OB when he caught the ball (when he did catch it  )

it's a shame it didn't work out, but he's not an elite WR and prob at best a KR/PR man for the rest of his career.

best wishes to him.  he did put it to the J-E-R-K-S though........lol.  rex ryan u suck!

[bsfins]

I'd rather have Ginn than Patrick "can't even get on the field for one play" Turner.

The benefit to Turner (not playing) is he could be a practice squad guy,Ginn isn't worth a roster spot anymore....Cobbs (the rest of the IR's from last year) coming back,and our draft picks,then people still want to bring back J.Taylor.This roster needed to be turned over,needed to get better. I just can't see a roster spot for him,even for his returning kicks.

[Brian Fein]

^^ B, most times you're spot on but this time I couldn't disagree more.

I guess time will tell, he'll be a hot waiver-wire pickup in fantasy football next season.

[Sunstroke]

The benefit to Turner (not playing) is he could be a practice squad guy,Ginn isn't worth a roster spot anymore....  ...I just can't see a roster spot for him,even for his returning kicks.

Have to disagree with ya, B...I think a quality KR is worth a roster spot, whether he provides much production as a WR or not. I'm not happy to see SF trade for Ginn - trust me on this one - but he immediately upgrades our kick return game, so he's worth the spot. If he shows that he can't handle the KR duties, I'll have no use for the guy.

I guess time will tell, he'll be a hot waiver-wire pickup in fantasy football next season.

Think I have to disagree with this as well... I believe Ginn will catch less than 20 passes for SF next year, and that just doesn't make for much of a waiver gem in FF.

[bsfins]

Have to disagree with ya, B...I think a quality KR is worth a roster spot, whether he provides much production as a WR or not. I'm not happy to see SF trade for Ginn - trust me on this one - but he immediately upgrades our kick return game, so he's worth the spot. If he shows that he can't handle the KR duties, I'll have no use for the guy.

If we were 10-6,and I could easliy justify keeping him to soley do kick returns,but we were 7-9...and  While not the Game breakers, Davone Bess,and Partick Cobbs can both handle those duties,plus give give me value at other spots (Kick off coverage,Punt Coverage,third down Back, Slot Reciever)

[Philly Fin Fan]

So did the other Miami receivers not have the same circumstances for all three of those years? Or did they have Peyton Manning throwing to them? Sorry but I'm not buying that argument considering other WR's were able to put up better numbers.

Here are the numbers for the other Miami WR's during those same years (I didn't include TE or RB receiving yards)

Ginn year one - The 1-15 debackle with Cleo Lemon as our best QB nearly all of the year.

Ginn- 34 catches, 420 yds, 2 TDs
Booker- 50 catches, 556 yds, 1 TD
Chambers (before being traded)- 31 catches, 415 yds, 0 TDs
Derek Hagan- 29 catches, 373 yds, 2 TDS
Greg Camarillo- 8 catches, 160 yds, 2 TDs

So an old and washed up Booker got more catches and yds. In 6 games, Chambers basically had the same number of catches and yds that Ginn had in 16 games. Derek fricking Hagan had the same number of TD catches. And Camarillo had about 40% as much yds as Ginn, in about 25% as many catches. Imagine if they threw to Camarillo more?

Ginn year two - Pennington throws dinks and dunks all year (Ginn is a deep threat player - don't think otherwise)

Ginn- 56 catches, 790 yds, 2 TDs
Camarillo- 55 catches, 613 yds, 0 TDs
Davone Bess- 54 catches, 554 yds, 1 TD
Derek Hagan- 3 catches, 51 yds, 0 TDs
Brandon London- 3 catches, 30 yds, 0 TDs
Ernest Wilford- 3 catches, 25 yds, 0 TDS

So Camarillo manages to catch the same number of balls, with about 180 less yards- but in 5 less games. With that same "dink and dunk" offense. Bess (an undrafted rookie) manages the same number of catches, in much more limited playing time.

Ginn year three - Pennington goes down early, but sucked up untill the point he got hurt.  Rookie(ish) Henne comes in and the ground game is heavily relied upon untill Brown gets hurt toward the end of the year.

Ginn- 38 catches, 454 yds, 1 TD
Brian Hartline- 31 catches, 506 yds, 3 TDs
Davone Bess- 76 catches, 758 yds, 2 TDs
Greg Camarillo- 50 catches, 552 yds, 0 TDs

So rookie Hartline had more yards, on less catches, despite less playing time (and being a rookie). Bess gets 2 starts vs. Ginn's 12, but still practically doubles up on Ginns numbers. Camarillo is coming off of a major knee injury, and puts up bigger numbers. And those three guys also had rookie(ish) Henne throwing to them.

Like Dave says in another post- I wish him well, but I'm glad the Fins finally have a true #1 receiver. Imagine what Bess and Hartline will do with a true #1 drawing double coverage.

I know you will say that Ginn plays a "different kind of game", but the other receivers all managed to adapt and play with the QB's they had to play with. (Look at Marshall last year, playing with Kyle Orton, he put up pro-bowl numbers!)