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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2012, 12:33:12 am »

You guys are ridiculous. Ireland isn't the one playing like shit on Sundays.
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2012, 12:41:34 am »

Parcells "quit" two seasons ago.
Sparano was fired last season.
Suppose Ireland is fired this season.
What are you going to do if Philbin has another bad year next season?  Fire him too?  Ross would have a worse reputation than Dan Snyder by that point.

Philbin is Ireland's pick, right?  I say they live and die as a pair.  Miami won't be able to get a good coach while they insist on keeping their GM, and they probably won't even be able to get a good GM if replacing Philbin is off of the table (see Cameron, Cam).
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2012, 12:53:52 am »

As much as I dislike Ireland, we're pretty much going to have to ride him and Philbin through the next 2-3 years just to give this organization some stability.  We can't go changing everything almost every year.  At least we've got coaches and a GM who actually want to be in Miami for a change.

The way I've rationalized it is I'd rather be wrong about the GM/coach and have the Dolphins win than to be right have have them lose. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2012, 01:04:20 am »

You guys are ridiculous. Ireland isn't the one playing like shit on Sundays.
No, instead it is the players that he personally handpicked for this team.

I mean, seriously: who is the best player that Ireland acquired for Dolphins?  It's not Paul Soliai or Brandon Fields.  It's not Jake Long, Randy Starks, Davone Bess, or Dan Carpenter.  Is it Dansby?  Bush?  Pouncey?

I stand by my statement that this new trifecta (Ireland/Philbin/Tannehill) has until the end of next year to show something.  But Ireland has more than made his bed.  He paid a stiff price for Marshall, then traded him for peanuts (and has already completely wasted half of the peanuts on two guys that 1) couldn't make the 53-man roster and 2) wasn't worth activating for week 1).  He traded up for the fragile Daniel Thomas while ignoring Ryan Mallett.*  (And yes, "fragile" is the correct word for a backup RB that is held out of nearly 25% of his games due to injury.)  He traded his best CB in a league dominated by passing attacks.


* You might be inclined to read this as an endorsement for Mallett.  It is not.  I am simply stating that by ignoring the fans/media (a good portion of whom were clamoring for Mallett's selection), Ireland positioned himself as a scapegoat, exactly as Cameron did when he passed on Brady Quinn.  I firmly believe that had Cameron drafted Quinn (even if Quinn had still sucked), he would have gotten at least one more year in Miami to develop him.  When you compare Quinn and Henne as college QBs, it is difficult to believe that Parcells would have discarded Quinn as he did Beck (and that's presuming that Parcells would still have been brought in after 2007).
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2012, 07:05:35 am »

Philbin is Ireland's pick, right?

Wrong.  Philbin is Ross's pick.  Ireland was partial to McCoy
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2012, 12:18:36 pm »

You cannot fire your front office every year.  We have to deal with at least two years of Ireland.

Ireland has been here for 5 drafts. Plenty of time to have built a team that at least can make the playoffs. Yet we are far from that.

He should have gone and Philbin allowed to bring in his own man.

I'm not too high on Polian because of what Indy looks like right now. His son had a great deal to do with the team they have right now.

If Bill Polian is in charge yes, but the son......no its more of the same.
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2012, 12:21:02 pm »

You guys are ridiculous. Ireland isn't the one playing like shit on Sundays.

But he picked them.

And passed on guys who are making headlines such as Ryan in Atlanta. Jake Long more than likely leaves after this year, meanwhile Ryan is taking Atlanta to the playoffs likely for the 3rd time in his 5 years there.
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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2012, 12:22:37 pm »

Parcells "quit" two seasons ago.
Sparano was fired last season.
Suppose Ireland is fired this season.
What are you going to do if Philbin has another bad year next season?  Fire him too?  Ross would have a worse reputation than Dan Snyder by that point.

Philbin is Ireland's pick, right?  I say they live and die as a pair.  Miami won't be able to get a good coach while they insist on keeping their GM, and they probably won't even be able to get a good GM if replacing Philbin is off of the table (see Cameron, Cam).

NO NO NO.....Ireland wanted and was pushing for the Defensive Coordinator of the Broncos. Ross insisted on Philbin.

DON'T TRY TO CHANGE HISTORY.
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2012, 12:26:35 pm »

NO NO NO.....Ireland wanted and was pushing for the Defensive Coordinator of the Broncos. Ross insisted on Philbin.
Please cite your source for Ross overruling Ireland on the head coach selection.
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2012, 12:39:09 pm »

I am not adverse to replacing Ireland, but who do you replace him with? I liked Polian until the past year or so. I also like Charlie Wasserly but he is also a retread.....and he is older

Someone new? A scout from another organization...Crap shoot IMO.

In Ireland's defense, he most likely did not have the final say while Parcells was there and now he is being asked to build a team in a mold completely different than what Parcells tried to do. It is essentially starting over.
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2012, 01:12:26 pm »

I am not adverse to replacing Ireland, but who do you replace him with? I liked Polian until the past year or so. I also like Charlie Wasserly but he is also a retread.....and he is older

Someone new? A scout from another organization...Crap shoot IMO.

In Ireland's defense, he most likely did not have the final say while Parcells was there and now he is being asked to build a team in a mold completely different than what Parcells tried to do. It is essentially starting over.

Eric DaCosta of Baltimore would be a good choice.  He's done a lot of the scouting work for Ozzie Newsome.  He's young, and hungry.
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2012, 01:32:30 pm »

Anyone who keep shouting Polian's name should just think back to what the Colts team looks like minus a top flight QB. They were pathetic.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2012, 05:15:22 pm »

And passed on guys who are making headlines such as Ryan in Atlanta. Jake Long more than likely leaves after this year, meanwhile Ryan is taking Atlanta to the playoffs likely for the 3rd time in his 5 years there.
Hmm...
Tony Gonzalez or Anthony Fasano?
Michael Turner or Reggie Bush?
Roddy White or Brian Hartline
Julio Jones or Legedu Naanee?

If you don't think surrounding cast has one thing to do with Matt Ryan's success, you're fooling yourself.  If Matt Ryan were a Dolphin, the fans would have burned his house down by now.

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2012, 05:28:05 pm »

Hmm...
Tony Gonzalez or Anthony Fasano?
Michael Turner or Reggie Bush?
Roddy White or Brian Hartline
Julio Jones or Legedu Naanee?

If you don't think surrounding cast has one thing to do with Matt Ryan's success, you're fooling yourself.  If Matt Ryan were a Dolphin, the fans would have burned his house down by now.




You're making the point to get rid of Ireland. He's been behind the Naanee, Hartline, Bush additions as well. We are outclassed at most positions on the feild going on 3 years now. Ireland has not only failed to bring in talent that can make the playoffs, he's struggled to bring in talent that can even compete at an NFL level.

It doesn't matter what coaches we bring in, we need to upgrade the talent or the team will go nowhere. We can't just continue to be out-talented for years waiting on Ireland to make some smart pickups. They should have got rid of him last year when they brought in Philbin so we can start fresh. There's absolutely no way Philbin is successful with Ireland as GM. Not when Ireland has continually failed to bring in talent that can compete in the NFL.
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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2012, 06:41:25 pm »

He traded up for the fragile Daniel Thomas while ignoring Ryan Mallett.* 

It is impossible to judge if passing on Mallet was a good or bad thing until Mallett gets an oppertunity to either prove himself or prove he is a bust.  Brady is going to try his best to prevent that evaluation. 
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