Donald Sterling racial slurs

[pondwater]

I mean, if he wants to sue her for 2 billion dollars (or whatever), fine with me?  Realistically speaking, the best he could do is get back the money he gave her, but if she broke the law, then he is entitled to pursue appropriate legal action.

That being said, according to Bill Simmons:

- there are more than 100 hours of these tapes
- Sterling asked his assistant/girlfriend to record them (which means two-party consent was given)

 If Simmons' story is true, then Sterling likely has no recourse.  I am unaware of any California law that prevents release of recordings you have consented to (much less requested).

Don't forget the criminal charges and jail time. Also, I would assume that he could get the money back he gave her, his fine from the NBA, and lost income from future team revenue. Illegal activity by said party cost him all of that. Punitive damages wouldn't be out of the question as far as I'm concerned.
100 hours of recordings mean nothing. They could still all be illegal. I would also argue that unless Sterling's supposed consent to be recorded was on paper, on tape, or witnessed by someone other than the person doing the recording, there is no way to prove it.

As far as suing her because the tape got out, he would first have to prove that she intentionally leaked it.  At that point, his chances of winning would be approximately the same as every person that's tried to sue over a sex tape.

Well if she recorded it illegally then the logical conclusion is that it was to release to the media. TMZ doesn't just get thing out of thin air

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It is not often that I agree with Newt on much,  But I like his idea of having the team go IPO. 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/gingrich-sell-clippers-public/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

[Spider-Dan]

I'll assume that this statement means that you think it's perfectly OK to have an all black basketball league and other assorted all black groups.

If you're asking me if it's OK that the NAACP exists, guilty as charged.

I also don't have a problem with something like historically black colleges, but those colleges admit people of any race.

And also think that it's OK for various famous black people to say things that would cause a Caucasian person to be labeled a racist.

Well, yes.  Didn't I just say that I would be receptive to the problems of the oppressed white minority in China?  Context matters.

Saying "I try to do what I can to encourage and help people of [my race] succeed in this country" has a very different meaning when your race is the overwhelming majority, and to pretend otherwise is actively denying reality... not unlike the people who insisted that affirmative action was never needed in the first place (because once the Civil Rights Act was passed, everyone is now equal and racism is solved).

That said, I don't personally subscribe to that philosophy; as I have said many times, I think assistance should be focused on those who face socioeconomic disadvantages in this country.  Unfortunately, while it is frowned upon to be openly racist politically, attacking the poor is not only politically permissible, it's celebrated.

Take a look at the current state of affairs in Africa and then tell us how slavery and rape aren't accepted customs.

Rape happens all over the world?  I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Don't forget the criminal charges and jail time. Also, I would assume that he could get the money back he gave her, his fine from the NBA, and lost income from future team revenue. Illegal activity by said party cost him all of that. Punitive damages wouldn't be out of the question as far as I'm concerned.

Why not sue her for one zillion dollars?  Any money this woman has almost entirely came from Sterling anyway.

I would also argue that unless Sterling's supposed consent to be recorded was on paper, on tape, or witnessed by someone other than the person doing the recording, there is no way to prove it.

There's a rather easy way to prove it: any recording where Sterling acknowledges that he is aware the recording is active.

[pondwater]

If you're asking me if it's OK that the NAACP exists, guilty as charged.

I also don't have a problem with something like historically black colleges, but those colleges admit people of any race.

You're kind of dancing around the question. What about an all black basketball league like the clown from the Knicks was screaming for, or Ms Black America, Black Entertainment Television, Black spring break and other assorted black groups. Do you think those things are A-OK too?

Well, yes.  Didn't I just say that I would be receptive to the problems of the oppressed white minority in China?  Context matters.

Saying "I try to do what I can to encourage and help people of [my race] succeed in this country" has a very different meaning when your race is the overwhelming majority, and to pretend otherwise is actively denying reality... not unlike the people who insisted that affirmative action was never needed in the first place (because once the Civil Rights Act was passed, everyone is now equal and racism is solved). That said, I don't personally subscribe to that philosophy; as I have said many times, I think assistance should be focused on those who face socioeconomic disadvantages in this country.  Unfortunately, while it is frowned upon to be openly racist politically, attacking the poor is not only politically permissible, it's celebrated.

So racist comments and bashing are not ok when directed at a minority by the majority, but they are ok as long as it's directed toward the overwhelming majority by a minority?
 

Rape happens all over the world?  I'm not sure what you're referring to.

You said that rape, slavery, and racism aren't accepted today. Africa is one of the world leaders in rape and slavery and have been for years. They haven't fixed the problem, nor are they ever going to. So I guess that it is accepted in some places and a way of life.

Why not sue her for one zillion dollars?  Any money this woman has almost entirely came from Sterling anyway.
There's a rather easy way to prove it: any recording where Sterling acknowledges that he is aware the recording is active.

No, not a zillion. Just what he's lost due to her illegal activities. Garnish her wages for the rest of her natural life. Oh yeah, don't forget the jail time and fines on the criminal side.

Also, if he acknowledged being recorded 6 months ago on a recording doesn't mean that he consented to continuous recording of every conversation. I would assume that he would have to acknowledge consent for each and every conversation.

[Spider-Dan]

What about an all black basketball league like the clown from the Knicks was screaming for, or Ms Black America, Black Entertainment Television, Black spring break and other assorted black groups. Do you think those things are A-OK too?

Didn't I just say that I approved of the existence of a group called the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People?  Not sure why you need further clarification, but sure, I also condone the existence of BET.

As for whether someone should be allowed to make an all-black basketball league, or an all-Hispanic soccer league, or an all-white hockey league?  Have at it.  Capitalism would solve that issue rather quickly (exactly as it is doing in the NBA right now, which you are currently complaining about).

So racist comments and bashing are not ok when directed at a minority by the majority, but they are ok as long as it's directed toward the overwhelming majority by a minority?

There is no blanket exception, if that's what you're looking for.  But yes, it is more acceptable for minority groups to call for solidarity and unified action than for majority groups to do so.

You said that rape, slavery, and racism aren't accepted today. Africa is one of the world leaders in rape and slavery and have been for years.

Slavery and rape (particularly: of conquered peoples) were legal 2000+ years ago.
Please cite your evidence as to your claims of legalized rape and slavery in Africa today.
Thanks.

Also, if he acknowledged being recorded 6 months ago on a recording doesn't mean that he consented to continuous recording of every conversation. I would assume that he would have to acknowledge consent for each and every conversation.

So in your version of reality, when your boss tells you to start recording his statement, you should insist on new written or recorded consent for each individual session?

[EDGECRUSHER]

Well, when someone has recorded you for many, many hours, sometimes you get caught off guard and say things that you might not think too much about beforehand.  (This is basically the mechanism behind most embarrassing documentaries.)  As far as suing her because the tape got out, he would first have to prove that she intentionally leaked it.  At that point, his chances of winning would be approximately the same as every person that's tried to sue over a sex tape.

As far as how he can fight, the NBA can rather easily stop that: don't schedule the Clippers against any other NBA team until he sells them.  Who will the Clippers play, the Washington Generals?

If the NBA were to take that action, Sterling wouldn't even flinch. He is obviously a sad, disgusting human who would rather see the franchise never play another game than to just sell without making a fortune and getting his pound of flesh. I don't think it would cost him anything either. If the NBA says they can't play, then is he legally responsible for paying salaries?

[Spider-Dan]

If the NBA were to take that action, Sterling wouldn't even flinch. He is obviously a sad, disgusting human who would rather see the franchise never play another game than to just sell without making a fortune and getting his pound of flesh. I don't think it would cost him anything either. If the NBA says they can't play, then is he legally responsible for paying salaries?

As I (a non-lawyer) see it, it would work one of two ways:

a) his players are contractually bound to the Clippers and could not sign with another NBA team, which means that he is contractually bound to pay them (to play against whatever team he can get lined up, if any)

or

b) he is not required to pay them, and they are free to sign with another team, in which case, please welcome your new Anaheim Royals/Seattle Supersonics/whatever

[Spider-Dan]

Interesting development on the source of the leak:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10869537/los-angeles-clippers-owner-donald-sterling-troubled-reign-approaches-inglorious-end

"Sterling lavished gifts on Stiviano over their four-year relationship, including a 2013 Range Rover, a 2012 Ferrari and two Bentleys. He paid her rent. He bought her jewelry. And, on March 7 of this year, Sterling's wife, Shelly Sterling, sued her to get it all back.

Stiviano lawyered up. Her attorneys filed a response to the civil suit, asking that the case be dismissed on April 21. Instead, Shelly Sterling's attorneys requested that Stiviano turn over all tapes and recordings made of herself and Sterling. The law compelled her to do so.

Four days later, the tapes surfaced publicly on TMZ."

I wonder... can Sterling sue his wife for damages?

Hell hath no fury...

[EDGECRUSHER]

This is glorious. A racist, his evil wife and a hooker suing each other and soon the NBA. Couldn't have happened to a nicer piece of garbage.

[pondwater]

Didn't I just say that I approved of the existence of a group called the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People?  Not sure why you need further clarification, but sure, I also condone the existence of BET.

As for whether someone should be allowed to make an all-black basketball league, or an all-Hispanic soccer league, or an all-white hockey league?  Have at it.  Capitalism would solve that issue rather quickly (exactly as it is doing in the NBA right now, which you are currently complaining about).

So in other words you support segregation. But only when the minorities are the ones doing the segregating. Sounds kind of racist to me.

There is no blanket exception, if that's what you're looking for.  But yes, it is more acceptable for minority groups to call for solidarity and unified action than for majority groups to do so.

So in other words you think that double standards are appropriate for people that claim that they only want equality. Sounds more like they want superiority. Sounds hypocritical to me.

Slavery and rape (particularly: of conquered peoples) were legal 2000+ years ago.
Please cite your evidence as to your claims of legalized rape and slavery in Africa today.
Thanks.

Who said legal? You claimed that things like rape and slavery weren't accepted today. If they weren't accepted in Africa, then they would have been eradicated by now. It won't ever happen there, so therefore they accept it as day to day reality of life there.

So in your version of reality, when your boss tells you to start recording his statement, you should insist on new written or recorded consent for each individual session?

So if I gave consent for a bill collector to record my conversation last August. Then are you saying that they don't need consent to record the conversation that we had yesterday? I could be wrong, but legally I would consider each conversation separate as far as consent goes.

[Spider-Dan]

So in other words you support segregation. But only when the minorities are the ones doing the segregating.

Did you miss "all-white hockey league" in there?

So in other words you think that double standards are appropriate for people that claim that they only want equality.

Hey, you know another double standard I'm in favor of?  People who make less money should pay a lower percentage of that money in taxes.

Hypocrisy, I know!

Who said legal? You claimed that things like rape and slavery weren't accepted today.

They are not accepted, which is why they are illegal.  This is in contrast to 2000+ years ago, when they were very much legal (in the appropriate circumstance).

If they weren't accepted in Africa, then they would have been eradicated by now.

I guess this explains how we eradicated rape and murder in America.

So if I gave consent for a bill collector to record my conversation last August. Then are you saying that they don't need consent to record the conversation that we had yesterday? I could be wrong, but legally I would consider each conversation separate as far as consent goes.

Is your bill collector your employer?  Did your employer give you a directive to start recording his conversations?

If Sterling tells his employee to record his conversations, do you seriously expect her to tell him, "Not until I have a signed release, and I will need one for every individual time I turn on this recorder"?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Will self admitted racist Micheal Jordan be forced to sell his interest in the Hornets?

[el diablo]

No. Because he's a reformed self admitted racist. And how is he associated with the Hornets?

[Spider-Dan]

After the New Orleans Hornets became the New Orleans Pelicans, the Bobcats (the team Jordan owns) petitioned the NBA to re-gain the rights to the Hornets logo and colors.  The Charlotte Bobcats have played their last game; next season, they will be called the Charlotte Hornets.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer just won the bidding for the Clippers at $2 Billion.

The Bucks just sold for $500+ Million. To say he overpaid would be an understatement. Sterling probably didn't want a long legal battle, as his only probable victory would be taking a few other owners down with him. So, he decided to take the ridiculous offer.

NBA wins. Sterling wins. Ballmer probably loses if he actually thinks he will ever recoup this.