NFL neglected to properly review controversial TDs by Harvin, Watkins

[Phishfan]

Never??? You must have missed the link and story where it did happen on a TD play and also happened in the final two minutes when a coach could not call a challenge. Seriously dude, I can't spell it out any further than to say it happened and provide a link. You cannot be any more wrong at this point.

[DenverFinFan]

It get's clearer to me every year. The NFL follows a script for ratings, and point spread/gambling deals.

[MikeO]

Never??? You must have missed the link and story where it did happen on a TD play and also happened in the final two minutes when a coach could not call a challenge. Seriously dude, I can't spell it out any further than to say it happened and provide a link. You cannot be any more wrong at this point.

The rule has changed in recent years.  And since Holmgren has coached. And has been tweaked since Sparno was a head coach.  Your links are outdated

[Spider-Dan]

The wording in that article is strange; it says that Sparano's TO caused the replay official to review the play when he (the official) had originally determined that it did not need to be reviewed.  My understanding is that all scoring and turnover plays must be reviewed, period.

MikeO, the first cited Sparano incident as from 2011; the first year where all scoring plays were supposed to be reviewed.

[Phishfan]

I cannot remember the game but back when throwing the red flag on TDs caused the officials to not review the play anymore (that rule was since changed) I remember seeing a coach call a timeout rather than throw the flag. That way he got the message across to the officials that he wanted the play scrutinized rather than glossed over as was done in both these instances.

[MikeO]

I cannot remember the game but back when throwing the red flag on TDs caused the officials to not review the play anymore (that rule was since changed) I remember seeing a coach call a timeout rather than throw the flag. That way he got the message across to the officials that he wanted the play scrutinized rather than glossed over as was done in both these instances.

That was before all replays got moved to the NYC headquarters

[Phishfan]

Man you can never admit being wrong. First it never happened, but it did. Now it happened before and would be completely different now. Well, check this quote from an NFL exec saying a stoppage in the game in Seattle would have resulted in the overturn of the Harvin call. "All scoring plays are reviewed by the instant replay official, in conjunction with the NFL officiating staff in New York, and are not subject to a coach's challenge. Following the first quarter touchdown run by Percy Harvin, the game should have been stopped for a replay review, either by the replay official or by the officiating staff in New York.

"The touchdown was incorrectly confirmed, and as a result, the game was not stopped. Had the game been stopped for a replay review, the touchdown would have been reversed because Harvin stepped out of bounds at the San Diego 21-yard line."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2014/09/15/nfl-admits-mistake-on-percy-harvin-touchdown/15664375/

What is a better way of guaranteeing a stoppage of play than a timeout? Is this current enough for you?

[MikeO]

"The touchdown was incorrectly confirmed, and as a result, the game was not stopped. Had the game been stopped for a replay review, the touchdown would have been reversed

They confirmed the score  with replay once, they thought it was a TD and the game wasn't stopped. It was wrong, they messed up. At the time they thought they got it right, which is why the game continued..but hindsight it was wrong.After it was confirmed, the play is over.  You don't get 2 reviews on one play. They just messed up. And just because you call timeout you expect the replay official in NYC to read your mind and know you want the play reviewed again? Not happening

[Phishfan]

Yes mind reading is exactly what a coach would expect. He would never be speaking with the officials about it at all. Get over your hubris and admit it has happened, can happen, and should have happened.

[MikeO]

Yes mind reading is exactly what a coach would expect. He would never be speaking with the officials about it at all. Get over your hubris and admit it has happened, can happen, and should have happened.

It happened around 10 years ago under the old system and you linked to it from 2005 some Mike Holmgren example that is outdated. It can't happen under the new system. You are interpreting the rule the incorrect way where as a head coach if you just stall cause you don't like the call on a scoring play or want another review of a scoring play, you start  calling timeouts or walk on the field to just stall and by time and by magic, the review people in NYC know what your doing with no communication and poof....you will get a 2nd or 3rd review of a play that has already been reviewed and confirmed. The reason they made the rule change is to prevent just that and what you want.

Here is how it works,....

1) team scores a TD
2) Play is automatically reviewed in NYC Headquarters immediately
 a) if play is confirmed, ref is notified, ball is spotted for the xtra point kick, start the play clock on to the next play
  b) if play is not confirmed, the ref is notified the ball isn't spotted for the xtra point and refs sort everything out with NYC Headquarters

You want some layer in-between a) and b) where a coach can call a timeout and stop the game ask for a 2nd review. Doesn't happen. Not in the rules. But you are entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to be wrong. Keep thinking Mike McCoy and Joe Philbin should have just started using timeouts yesterday to prevent bad TD calls to get that 2nd review which can't take place. You live in that bubble and enjoy it there!

[Phishfan]

I am not wrong the NFL exec even says in the Harvin situation if the game had been stopped it would have gotten a longer review and been overturned. Maybe you should write the NFL and tell them their statement is wrong because in no way would they ever review something further if play was halted. Until they retract that position I'll keep mine and argue, with the NFL's own statement behind me, on how they would review thing further with more time.

Also, at least be on point if you are going to be wrong. The TD example I provided is from the current set of rules where TDs are reviewed. It wasn't 2005 and it wasn't Holmgren. You are way off point there. It was pointed out by me and by Spider but you can't grasp it. IT HAS HAPPENED.

[Phishfan]

More talk about how a coach can influence the review process with timeouts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/play-in-giants-game-shows-replay-review-system-isnt-working;_ylt=AwrTHRT9UxdU3z4ANFtXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyc21xbzRlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMTUEY29sbwNncTEEdnRpZANVSUMxXzE-?urn=nfl,wp15595

Here is an article that states in many instances the replay assistant did not call for a full review of a scoring play. If it isn't a full review don't you think play stoppage and complaints could cause a little further look?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/14/competition-committee-proposes-changes-to-the-red-flag-rule/

[MikeO]

More talk about how a coach can influence the review process with timeouts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/play-in-giants-game-shows-replay-review-system-isnt-working;_ylt=AwrTHRT9UxdU3z4ANFtXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyc21xbzRlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMTUEY29sbwNncTEEdnRpZANVSUMxXzE-?urn=nfl,wp15595

A play,....yes with under 2 min in the half or game. NOT A SCORING PLAY!!! That has a different and separate procedure

[MikeO]

I am not wrong the NFL exec even says in the Harvin situation if the game had been stopped

The only way to stop it is to not mess up the call in NYC Headquarters to begin with, to say the scoring play isn't confirmed and halt the actino...so what he is saying is correct. How you are interpreting it is incorrect

[Brian Fein]

this mishap(s) is a direct result of the NYC review process.  There are far too many plays to be reviewed in a central headquarters.  No one can review better than the official on the field.  I feel like this NYC review process allows for more errors like this because it prohibits people from dedicating the time required to really look at a play in detail.

We're going to see a break down of the replay system this year, and it started this week on these two plays.