COVID update - December

[CF DolFan]

So anyone who didn't personally know one of the less than 3000 people who died on 9.11 panicked about terrorism because the media told them to? 

I really hope you're not this douche' in real life.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I really hope you're not this douche' in real life.

I am a douche for disputing the claim that 3000 people dying a day is not a valid concern but merely a tv induced panic?  You might want to look in the mirror.

[Tenshot13]

I am a douche for disputing the claim that 3000 people dying a day is not a valid concern but merely a tv induced panic?  You might want to look in the mirror.

For the record, I think you're a douche and it has nothing to do with this thread.  

[Dave Gray]

No name calling, please.  It's like...rule one of the Internet.

[Dave Gray]

CF, nobody is suggesting panic.  It's not honest to say that the media is asking you to panic.

But this is a big fucking deal.  300,000 Americans are already dead with many more in the pipeline.  That's WITH a good amount of the population working from home, masking, staying away from others, etc.

Asking people to take things seriously and mitigate risks wherever possible isn't the same as asking them to panic.

Also, it's not about football players.  It's about all of us.  If football players are careless, getting COVID, and spreading to other football players, who then get on planes and re-infect their families and cities, more people will die, have long term lung damage, etc.  That's a fact.  The actions taken by the NFL will result in people living or dying.

But this is so preventable, yet people are still down-playing the severity.   So, the media essentially begging the public to comply isn't panic -- they're literally doing their job to try to save lives.  All of this is in the face of toilet bloggers muddying the water with their bullshit.  It's a constant fight against misinformation.

Look, man.  I wish COVID just infected you and you died from it, personally and indiscriminately in a day.  If you want to go out and get COVID and die, do you.  But that's not how this virus manifests -- it sits in wait, infecting and killing the unsuspecting and vulnerable -- and that's not right to expose that population.

My wife has to work in a classroom of students.  She is doing a job that society needs.  So, I'm not OK with those kids going off and doing whatever and getting COVID because they're healthy and it's incredibly unlikely to kill them.  She doesn't have a real choice in the matter, so it's up to all of us to protect people like my wife. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

For the record, I think you're a douche and it has nothing to do with this thread.  

LOL

[CF DolFan]

CF, nobody is suggesting panic.  It's not honest to say that the media is asking you to panic.

But this is a big fucking deal.  300,000 Americans are already dead with many more in the pipeline.  That's WITH a good amount of the population working from home, masking, staying away from others, etc.

Asking people to take things seriously and mitigate risks wherever possible isn't the same as asking them to panic.

Also, it's not about football players.  It's about all of us.  If football players are careless, getting COVID, and spreading to other football players, who then get on planes and re-infect their families and cities, more people will die, have long term lung damage, etc.  That's a fact.  The actions taken by the NFL will result in people living or dying.

But this is so preventable, yet people are still down-playing the severity.   So, the media essentially begging the public to comply isn't panic -- they're literally doing their job to try to save lives.  All of this is in the face of toilet bloggers muddying the water with their bullshit.  It's a constant fight against misinformation.

Look, man.  I wish COVID just infected you and you died from it, personally and indiscriminately in a day.  If you want to go out and get COVID and die, do you.  But that's not how this virus manifests -- it sits in wait, infecting and killing the unsuspecting and vulnerable -- and that's not right to expose that population.

My wife has to work in a classroom of students.  She is doing a job that society needs.  So, I'm not OK with those kids going off and doing whatever and getting COVID because they're healthy and it's incredibly unlikely to kill them.  She doesn't have a real choice in the matter, so it's up to all of us to protect people like my wife.  

Correct about name calling ... sorry Hoodie. I was just pointing out "why" people have the opposite view of most of you guys. It doesn't have a real life effect on many of us and from what we see it doesn't jive with the panic. In fact ... since most people survive without any lasting effects few people (percentage wise) have real life experiences with the worst case scenarios.

All of our kids are still going to school and playing sports. In fact Central Florida is busy hosting all kinds of tournaments where teams from all over the country have and will play.  We are going to work, stores, the beach, restaurants, and things like biker events where people are on top of each other.  To live like that and not experience the worst of Covid it is really hard to get freaked out because CNN says so. Maybe if we sat around watching tv all the time instead of living but that isn't the case. I'm sure you've heard it is better to die free than to live in chains. Well ... many people feel that way or at least think they do. My in-laws are in their late 70s and haven't changed a thing in their lives that I know of. In fact .... they are some of the biggest anti maskers I know and he is retired from the medical field.

[Sunstroke]

To live like that and not experience the worst of Covid it is really hard to get freaked out because CNN says so.

CNN didn't tell you to freak out. You use that term because it sounds better to you than saying "The media tells us to take precautions."

And CNN told you the same thing that ABC, NBC and CBS did. Only Faux (French for "Fake," btw) wants you to freak out, because you're easier to control when you think someone is trying to take your freedom away.

[fyo]

It doesn't have a real life effect on many of us and from what we see it doesn't jive with the panic. In fact ... since most people survive without any lasting effects few people (percentage wise) have real life experiences with the worst case scenarios.

Saw a study the other day pointing out that towns with lots of returning college kids had twice the increase in covid-related deaths that towns with few. The research indicated that the kids brought the virus back with them and infected their family and community, which in turn resulted in a lot of deaths, mainly (as usual) among the elderly.

Additionally, hospitals are getting swamped. Get too swamped and not only does the mortality rate for COVID go way up, it affects all the other care hospitals provide.

The point isn't that our kids get sick and die (that is, fortunately, very rare), but that we are all part of a community and unless you are willing to isolate yourself from said community, you have a responsibility to behave responsibly.

(And, no, hosting major interstate tournaments isn't responsible.)

[Dave Gray]

You keep using the term "panic".  But where is that coming from?  What's the panic?  I mean, I take it seriously because I understand cause and effect, so I do what I can to reduce risks -- but the messaging of the major news outlets is pretty clear about what the CDC suggests.

I don't doubt that you're right -- I think that some people have difficultly using other people's experiences as evidence to dispute their own experiences.  This carries on to lots of different topics, diseases just being one.

[CF DolFan]

CNN didn't tell you to freak out. You use that term because it sounds better to you than saying "The media tells us to take precautions."

And CNN told you the same thing that ABC, NBC and CBS did. Only Faux (French for "Fake," btw) wants you to freak out, because you're easier to control when you think someone is trying to take your freedom away.

CNN, ABC, NBC, .... it doesn't really matter. They are all in bed with each other. . In the latest example they buried the Hunter Biden story and Eric Swalwell stories. So much that you most likely think it isn't a big deal. Had they reported it most people would be very condemning of both and those that protected them. FOX is just coming from a different perspective but is doing them same things to certain degree. Just like keeping incriminating evidence from a spouse ... manipulation of media by not reporting or purposely omitting facts is just as bad as making up stories. Sadly ... they do all of the above.

[CF DolFan]

You keep using the term "panic".  But where is that coming from?  What's the panic?  I mean, I take it seriously because I understand cause and effect, so I do what I can to reduce risks -- but the messaging of the major news outlets is pretty clear about what the CDC suggests.

I don't doubt that you're right -- I think that some people have difficultly using other people's experiences as evidence to dispute their own experiences.  This carries on to lots of different topics, diseases just being one.

Panic is the actions towards the virus and against people who do not share the same fear. Panic is banning people from celebrating Thanksgiving with family. Panic is passing policies that you have to chew with your mask on, closing beaches for months, forcing businesses to close or else. Panic is the ludicrous decisions made every single day in the name of safety that have no effect on the virus. It blows peoples minds that so much of south Florida is still locked down or that people aren't going to restaurants. We have been back to full capacity for months. Panic is reading the posts on this thread by people who think they are one step away from wiping out their entire family. Charley Pride just died from covid issues and while sad ... he was 86. Did covid really kill Charley Pride or was it the fact he was 86?  He could have just as easily caught a cold, got pneumonia and died. Sadly it happens every day. I don't wish covid on anyone and realize it can really bad. I just don't see enough evidence to quit living. I have high blood pressure and was recently told my kidneys are functioning at 50% by my Nephrologist. I didn't even know what the heck a Nephrologist was before the pandemic. Who knows ... any of us could die soon anyway. Personally I'd hate to think we spent the last year of our lives locked in the house instead of creating memories with family and friends.

[Dave Gray]

None of the things you're describing are the correct use of the word "panic".  You're being fast and loose with that term.

Again, you're not being honest -- nobody is "banning" Thanksgiving.  They're recommending you don't gather.  It's not smart to mix households.  That's science.  They're letting you know.  Sometimes, the recommendations are not reasonable, like masking between bites at a restaurant.  But, it's probably safer to say, "when you're not eating" wear a mask if you can.  Even then, even if someone were to recommend that you do something like that, is that really panic?

Did covid really kill Charley Pride?  Yes, ....yes it did.

Could he have easily died from pneumonia -- no.  Not as easily.  COVID is orders of magnitude more prevalent and deadly.  Even with all the precautions we've taken, in about 3/4 of a year, COVID has killed 6x more than pneumonia does, on average, and still has 3 months to go.

"Any of us could die soon anyway".  I don't even know what to say to this -- aren't we past this talking point yet?  We wear seatbelts, helmets, don't smoke, etc...sure, anyone could die -- but you still mitigate and minimize risks.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

CNN, ABC, NBC, .... it doesn't really matter. They are all in bed with each other. . In the latest example they buried the Hunter Biden story and Eric Swalwell stories. So much that you most likely think it isn't a big deal. Had they reported it most people would be very condemning of both and those that protected them. FOX is just coming from a different perspective but is doing them same things to certain degree. Just like keeping incriminating evidence from a spouse ... manipulation of media by not reporting or purposely omitting facts is just as bad as making up stories. Sadly ... they do all of the above.

They didn’t bury either of those stories I am well aware of both of them from reading CNN and NYT.

[Sunstroke]

CNN, ABC, NBC, .... it doesn't really matter. They are all in bed with each other.

Ahhhh, I see... Everybody but you and your friends are involved in the world's largest conspiracy to prevent Donald from his rightful throne. There is no proof of this, but who cares, right?

Careful when you back away from that ridiculous position you've taken...you might fall off the edge of the flat Earth.