Equal pay day

[ArtieChokePhin]

However, US Soccer is heavily funded by the US government.  Revenue should not be the determining factor here.

But it is and always will be.  Because fact is, women's sports do not draw the attendance that men's sports do. 

[Spider-Dan]

Why should revenue be the determining factor for the salary of jobs that are funded by the government?  We don't base the pay of judges on how many fines they issue.

[dolphins4life]

Here's how the claim is so blatantly misleading.

I made $17.05 an hour in healthcare last year

My coworker, who is much more experienced than me, makes $21.24 an hour

I am hired for thirty four hours.  She is hired for thirty two hours

Last year, she made $36,702.72

I made $37,200 last year because during the pandemic, I was often asked to work more hours and do overtime because our site was the healthy site, so all the patients came to our site.

Unless, the claim is that she should make the same amount of money I make for working fewer hours.  Is that what is being stated?

[Spider-Dan]

For the third time: it's not just about "equal pay for equal work."  I've explained this multiple times.

[dolphins4life]

Oh, I think I get it now.

My coworker should get a raise so she makes as much as I get, regardless of how many hours she works.

The protest against the pay gap is that everybody should be paid the same REGARDLESS of their work.     

Is this correct?  It seems patently absurd to me, but then again, so are many other things espoused by the left.     

[dolphins4life]

For the third time: it's not just about "equal pay for equal work."  I've explained this multiple times.

Isn't equal pay for unequal work considered communism or socialism?

[dolphins4life]

So Spider, are you saying that EVERYBODY should get paid the same regardless of their job choice?

[Spider-Dan]

Let's look at this from a different angle.

We all agree that on average, women make less than men, right?  So there has to be a reason for this.

- One reason could be that women are not as smart as men, and are intellectually incapable of being as professionally successful.
- Another reason could be that women are lazier than men, and are simply unwilling to work as much.

I don't accept either of these explanations.  But there are some others I think are more compelling:

- Women are expected to carry more of the burden in raising children,  and their careers suffer for it.
- Career fields more frequently occupied by women tend to pay less,  even if they have higher prerequisites for entry.

[Spider-Dan]

Here's an example that should put this in clear contrast.

Take two supervisors at a company, one male, one female. Both have a stay-at-home spouse.  Over the course of a 5-year span, both have 3 children.  The man takes no time off from work at all for the birth of his children, while the woman takes the minimum maternity leave recommended by her doctor.  Their work performance is otherwise comparable.

When a spot opens up for a promotion, should the man get it because he has been more available and taken less time off? Such a decision would be punishing the woman for her biology. Again, our society requires children to survive, and it's unjust to punish women for providing the same service that every one of us required to enter this world.

[dolphins4life]

Before I answer your point, can you answer my question with a yes or no?

[Spider-Dan]

You asked me three questions.

Is this correct?

No.

Isn't equal pay for unequal work considered communism or socialism?

No.

So Spider, are you saying that EVERYBODY should get paid the same regardless of their job choice?

No.

[pondwater]

Again, our society requires children to survive, and it's unjust to punish women for providing the same service that every one of us required to enter this world.

Does our society require a woman to have children?

[Fau Teixeira]

The responses in this thread are a perfect example of what happens when people lack a basic understanding of social sciences.

A society functions as a whole like an organism, there are people that study this organism and the patterns. They're economists, they're social scientists. There's even a class taught in schools starting in 1st grade called social studies.

The problem that the people on the right have with this entire topic is that they either
a - argue against a point no-one is making, either though ignorance of the actual problem or through misunderstanding of what the problem is
or
b - argue in bad faith by constructing a straw man and arguing against that even tho they know better. (this is where some politicians live)

The baseline questions here are really whether you think a woman can perform the same jobs a man can and vice versa. Can women be doctors, lawyers, CEOs, programmers just as well as men can. Do they have the same intellectual capacity, do they have the same work ethic or dedication to a task. The obvious (to me) answer is yes. Women can perform pretty much any task a man can. Is the opposite true? Can a man succeed in an industry that is staffed predominantly by women? I think that is also true and a man can succeed.

That begs the question, then is why do women as a whole make less money than men. Do we undervalue industries that are staffed predominantly by women? Do we bar women either purposefully or through subconscious bias from entering male dominated fields? Do women in male fields make less money? Do men working in fields dominated by women make more money?

That's what equal pay day is calling to attention. You cannot take your example of "this one woman makes more per hour than i do, but i work more hours, therefore it's all fair" and apply it across a society. A society is whether you like it or not, more than just what your narrow experiences of the world tell you it is.

The reason this actually has value is because we've seen multiple examples of when women's pay rises as a whole, that society increases in prosperity as a whole. That's the value of a social science.

[CF DolFan]

The reason this actually has value is because we've seen multiple examples of when women's pay rises as a whole, that society increases in prosperity as a whole. That's the value of a social science.

False. Before women worked outside of the home there was less competition for jobs and families could be raised on just one salary.

[Fau Teixeira]

False. Before women worked outside of the home there was less competition for jobs and families could be raised on just one salary.

I can also connect multiple unrelated facts!!!

Before women worked outside the home, the nazi's were in power in Germany!

Therefore women working outside the home helped win the 2nd world war.

oh .. wait .. that one is actually related...  hmm ... ok

Before women worked outside the home people were dying of smallpox.
Before women worked outside the home black people were slaves in this country.
Before women worked outside the home the US was a British colony.

not to mention that your point is in fact false and mine is true, so there is that.