Liberal media's dramatic Covid flip-flop

[masterfins]

I think we should probably clarify exactly what we're talking about.

Is the claim that COVID is a Chinese bioweapon that China accidentally lost control of?
Such a claim would require that the conventional understanding - that COVID originated from wild game at a food market - is a lie/cover story.  Because COVID can't be both a government-developed bioweapon and an accidental cross-species infection from the wild.

It was a 2011 movie with Matt Damon and Gwyneth Paltrow, Contagion.  So, yeah I could see it being a lie/cover story.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I repeat: there are no calls to build a wall on the northern border.  You can give some lip service about patrolling the northern border, but it's obvious where the actual enforcement priority lies for conservatives.  There were never any kids in detention camps on the Canadian border, and there never will be.

Because Canada isn't exactly a poor nation like Mexico is and we don't have a bunch of Canadians trying to sneak across the border or smuggle people across it.  If anything, traffickers in the U.S. smuggle people INTO Canada.  But now that's stopped due to COVID.

[Spider-Dan]

Will you accept it, and admit Trump was right?

If the investigation shows that COVID is a Chinese bioweapon, I'll absolutely accept it.  That isn't the same thing as Trump "being right."

Trump, as President of these United States, had access to the entirety of intelligence available to our government; intelligence that is equally available to Biden.  The fact that an investigation is even needed (and: that Trump couldn't finish one in a year) itself shows that Trump was BSing.  So no, you don't get brownie points for that.

For example: if there's a legitimate, well-controlled study that connects melanin to intelligence, it doesn't mean the KKK was right all along to insist that black people are inferior.  Their claims were not based on well-supported evidence; they were just saying what they wanted to believe.  And so it is with almost everything that comes out of Trump's mouth.

But as I said earlier: that question is pretty pointless if the person asking it has already decided that it's a communist bioweapon no matter what the investigation says.  That's not a good faith question.

It was a 2011 movie with Matt Damon and Gwyneth Paltrow, Contagion.  So, yeah I could see it being a lie/cover story.

If we're talking about movie plots, I prefer the plot of Aliens: it's a bioweapon developed by an ancient alien race, and a corporate middle-manager deliberately sent someone to get infected so he could later sell the bioweapon to the military.

I mean, while we're talking about movie plots.

[Spider-Dan]

Because Canada isn't exactly a poor nation like Mexico is and we don't have a bunch of Canadians trying to sneak across the border or smuggle people across it.

Then just say that!

Instead of a bunch of song and dance about how we need to secure all of the borders to prevent people coming in from all countries, just say, "No, we just need to keep out the people coming from Mexico."

Then we can have an honest discussion about the real objectives of immigration policy.

[Spider-Dan]

I think this sums up the newly-invigorated conservative interest in the origin of COVID (and conservative attitudes towards COVID in general):

[Sunstroke]

^^^ I had to steal that...thanks.

[Dolphster]

I think this sums up the newly-invigorated conservative interest in the origin of COVID (and conservative attitudes towards COVID in general):

That is pretty funny!  I know that there are definitely some people who think that way.  But I'm really really hoping that is a small subset of conservatives and not the majority. 

[CF DolFan]

I think this sums up the newly-invigorated conservative interest in the origin of COVID (and conservative attitudes towards COVID in general):

That’s funny in a satire way but is such a huge generalization that is resembles almost no facts.

[Dave Gray]

Yeah, it's humorous, but not really a fair criticism because it's not the same people who praise Trump for the mask and also don't wear the mask.

The truth in this is that Trump's supporters are such a weird eclectic group -- he gets credit for creating the vaccine from some, but others refuse that its helpful and they both support him.

It's the same way that his supporters will beat cops to death as traitors to the government, but he'll still get the support of the blue lives matter people.

[pondwater]

Then just say that!

Instead of a bunch of song and dance about how we need to secure all of the borders to prevent people coming in from all countries, just say, "No, we just need to keep out the people coming from Mexico."

Then we can have an honest discussion about the real objectives of immigration policy.

Here you go twisting peoples words again. All borders need to be secured. If the Mexican border is a problem area then more resources are allocated to that area. It's basically common sense. If the northern border becomes a problem area then resources should be allocated there.

It's like your house spider. Do you let random homeless people walk into your house, eat your food, watch your tv, and fuck your wife? Does it really matter if they came in through the front door or the garage?

[Spider-Dan]

Dave, you're off the mark on this one.  The people complaining that Trump doesn't get enough credit for vaccine development are definitely the same people who have been insisting that COVID is overblown while comparing it to the flu.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Here you go twisting peoples words again. All borders need to be secured. If the Mexican border is a problem area then more resources are allocated to that area. It's basically common sense. If the northern border becomes a problem area then resources should be allocated there.

It's like your house spider. Do you let random homeless people walk into your house, eat your food, watch your tv, and fuck your wife? Does it really matter if they came in through the front door or the garage?

Borders are NOT the problem.  The problem is the airports. 

[Dolphster]

It's like your house spider. Do you let random homeless people walk into your house, eat your food, watch your tv, and fuck your wife? Does it really matter if they came in through the front door or the garage?

Not gonna lie, a really funny dirty comment came to mind immediately when I got to the "Does it really matter if they came in through the front door or the garage" part of your comment.   

[pondwater]

Borders are NOT the problem.  The problem is the airports. 

Ummm Ok, let me know when we have a crisis at an airport

[CF DolFan]

This is a great article on non Trumpers being disregarded for stating a year ago it was created in the lab.

COVID-19 'has NO credible natural ancestor' and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with 'retro-engineering' to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats, explosive new study claims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html

An explosive new study claims that Chinese scientists created COVID-19 in a Wuhan lab, then tried to cover their tracks by reverse-engineering versions of the virus to make it look like it evolved naturally from bats.

The paper's authors, British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen, wrote that they have had 'prima facie evidence of retro-engineering in China' for a year - but were ignored by academics and major journals.   

Dalgleish is a professor of oncology at St George's University, London, and is best known for his breakthrough creating the first working 'HIV vaccine', to treat diagnosed patients and allow them to go off medication for months.

Sørensen, a virologist, is chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, which developed a coronavirus vaccine candidate called Biovacc-19. Dalgleish also has share options in the firm.

The shocking allegations in the study include accusations of 'deliberate destruction, concealment or contamination of data' at Chinese labs, and it notes the silencing and disappearance of scientists in the communist country who spoke out.

The journal article, exclusively obtained by DailyMail.com and slated for publication in the coming days, is set to make waves among the scientific community, as the majority of experts have until recently staunchly denied the origins of COVID-19 were anything other than a natural infection leaping from animals to humans.
While analyzing COVID-19 samples last year in an attempt to create a vaccine, Dalgleish and Sørensen discovered 'unique fingerprints' in the virus that they say could only have arisen from manipulation in a laboratory.

They said they tried to publish their findings but were rejected by major scientific journals which were at the time resolute that the virus jumped naturally from bats or other animals to humans.

Even when former MI6 chief Sir Richard Dearlove spoke out publicly saying the scientists' theory should be investigated, the idea was dismissed as 'fake news.'

Over a year later, leading academics, politicians and the media finally flipped, and have begun to contemplate the possibility that COVID-19 escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China - a lab where experiments included manipulating viruses to increase their infectiousness in order to study their potential effects on humans.