Confusing Covid link

[Fau Teixeira]

If being unvaccinated is so much worse than being vaccinated then how come we all aren't dead yet?

Here's a bunch that are:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

[Spider-Dan]

I thought DeSantis' handling of Florida was considered by the press to be perfect.  He did absolutely nothing and eventually Florida's cases plummeted.  My information could be wrong

hahaha no

Wanna know why FL's COVID cases "plummeted"?

“What does that really mean when they say that Florida has the lowest rate in the country?” Dr. David Cutler, a family medicine physician at Providence Saint John’s Health Center in Santa Monica, California, told Healthline.

“Because Florida only reports those positive cases among people who are full-time residents of Florida. So, if your full-time residence is in Ohio, and you have a condo in Miami Beach and you go down there and you get COVID, you’re not a case in Florida. You’re not even a case in Ohio. You’re nothing, and that’s why I don’t put a lot of impact on that Florida case rate.”

Ronnie D is cooking the books.  I'm waiting to see the total death statistics for 2021.  You can juke the numbers on "cause of death," but a dead body is a dead body.  We'll see how many people died in FL in 2021, and compare that to how many died in 2019 or 2020.

[CF DolFan]

Let's not dance around the point of your anecdote, here: do you honestly believe that there is any scientific support for the idea that people who are unvaccinated will have fewer and less severe COVID symptoms than those who are vaccinated?  

You wouldn't know. Many well respected scientists have come out against vaccines, mask mandates, and lock downs but liberal media bans them. Kind of funny that the guy who help to invent the jab is now considered a conspiracy nut now that he disagrees with the government. The best thing is the longer this thing goes the more it turns out conservatives are right. The trend id people from all sides are waking up and not the other. There are fewer and fewer people buying into the fear. Even one of the most progressive people in the country AOC is out partying in Florida without masks. Nancy Pelosi just bought a house in South Florida to retire to because California is so screwed up. Their real lives vs. the fake TV show they perform on for money is being exposed all the time.

[Spider-Dan]

Many well respected scientists have come out against vaccines, mask mandates, and lock downs but liberal media bans them.

If you're a "scientist" and you make a claim that is disproven by the rest of the scientific community, but you keep sticking to it anyway, you get discredited.
This is how "science" is supposed to work.

Kind of funny that the guy who help to invent the jab is now considered a conspiracy nut now that he disagrees with the government.

Robert Malone was one of thousands of people who contributed to the development of mRNA vaccines.  He's considered a conspiracy nut because of his nutty conspiracies, like the claim that he "invented" mRNA.  This is about as ridiculous as a single person claiming that they "invented" 4K televisions or 5G.  It's absurd on its face.

The best thing is the longer this thing goes the more it turns out conservatives are right.

And we know conservatives are "right" because they tell us all the time!  Like this:

Even one of the most progressive people in the country AOC is out partying in Florida without masks. Nancy Pelosi just bought a house in South Florida to retire to because California is so screwed up.

I know the right is obsessed with AOC, but here's a news flash: it's perfectly legal to be outdoors without a mask in NY.  No one has to "travel to Florida" to escape this imaginary oppression.  (Or maybe you now believe that wanting to experience nice weather in the winter means liberals have silently acknowledged the superiority of conservative ideology?)

And of course, your Facebook "research" about Pelosi buying a mansion in Florida is just another delusional right-wing conspiracy that's easily disproven with a 5 second Google search.  I heard Nancy Pelosi takes ivermectin herself every day!

But there is one thing you absolutely did get right:

There are fewer and fewer people buying into the fear.

This is why the US still has 2,000 COVID deaths a day in 2022, a full year after vaccines have been available.
It's pathetic.

[CF DolFan]

If you're a "scientist" and you make a claim that is disproven by the rest of the scientific community, but you keep sticking to it anyway, you get discredited.
This is how "science" is supposed to work.

Every smartest man in the world has been discredited throughout time. The govornment doesn't want pushback on their "science" so anyone who does not agree isn't proven wrong but canclled from speaking. I don't care wht your opinion or "facts" are about a sunject if they can't be questioned then they aren't facts at all. They are an opinion from a dictator.

[Spider-Dan]

Every smartest man in the world has been discredited throughout time.

And for every "smartest person" who was discredited and later proved right, there are thousands of self-important jackasses who were discredited and consistently proven to be thoroughly wrong.

"They laughed at Galileo and he was proven right" is the rallying cry of the conspiracy nut, because you can use it for literally anything.
You say the moon landing was faked?  They laughed at Galileo and he was proven right!
You say the lizard people control our government?  They laughed at Galileo and he was proven right!

I don't care wht your opinion or "facts" are about a sunject if they can't be questioned then they aren't facts at all. They are an opinion from a dictator.

The irony of this is that when the "opinions or facts" are from a source you agree with - say, Robert Malone - suddenly YOU are against those "facts" being questioned.  No, everyone else needs to just accept these Obviously True Facts, and when others in the field say, "Actually, no, he's wrong because of X Y Z," well, that means they're cancelling him!

For snowflakes like this, "free speech" always only works in one direction.

[CF DolFan]

And for every "smartest person" who was discredited and later proved right, there are thousands of self-important jackasses who were discredited and consistently proven to be thoroughly wrong.

"They laughed at Galileo and he was proven right" is the rallying cry of the conspiracy nut, because you can use it for literally anything.
You say the moon landing was faked?  They laughed at Galileo and he was proven right!
You say the lizard people control our government?  They laughed at Galileo and he was proven right!
The irony of this is that when the "opinions or facts" are from a source you agree with - say, Robert Malone - suddenly YOU are against those "facts" being questioned.  No, everyone else needs to just accept these Obviously True Facts, and when others in the field say, "Actually, no, he's wrong because of X Y Z," well, that means they're cancelling him!

For snowflakes like this, "free speech" always only works in one direction.

One of the smartest things Aaron Rodgers has ever said.
"If science can't be questioned, it's not science anymore. It's propaganda, and that's the truth,"

That's exactlly where we are today with this current administration.

Israel is one of the most vaccinated places in the world and yet their numbers are super high. It doesn't work to any degree that it's worth destroying people's lives for not doing it and that's proven day in and day out.

[Dave Gray]

Nobody is saying you can't question science.

That's bullshit.

Of course, you can, and you should question science.  But to refute findings, you need to work the scientific method and produce peer-reviewable evidence.





Also, I don't know how many times I say it -- It's like you're being intentionally obtuse: The Omicron varied isn't significantly deterred from infecting you if you're vaccinated.  It helps keep the virus from killing you, though.  So, sure, cases are way up in Israel.  They are averaging 22 deaths a day.  The US is averaging 2300 a day.

[pondwater]

If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated. If you don't, don't. Everyone's going to believe what they want anyhow and call the other side wrong. What's to argue about?

I'm more wondering why they changed the definition of "vaccine"? Lots of definitions been changing in the last few years for some reason, LMFAO....

[Dave Gray]

If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated. If you don't, don't. Everyone's going to believe what they want anyhow and call the other side wrong. What's to argue about?

I didn't agree with this before, when your lack of vaccine increased my chance of infection.

Now that my infection rate isn't going to increase much because of your vaccine status, I care way, way less.  I still wish people would get vaccinated for strain on hospitals, saving money, reducing orphans, etc.....but also just because I want to reduce as much human suffering as possible.  But that's a different argument.  Now, I'm less about mandating what I think is best and moving more towards trying to convince people to better themselves for their own good.

[pondwater]

I didn't agree with this before, when your lack of vaccine increased my chance of infection.

Now that my infection rate isn't going to increase much because of your vaccine status, I care way, way less.  I still wish people would get vaccinated for strain on hospitals, saving money, reducing orphans, etc.....but also just because I want to reduce as much human suffering as possible.  But that's a different argument.  Now, I'm less about mandating what I think is best and moving more towards trying to convince people to better themselves for their own good.

I guess I look at things differently. Besides family and friends, it's not my job to save the world. I mean hell, it's hard enough to deal with family and friends. Fuck dealing with with people I don't know in real life. I'm not their parent, teacher, or priest.

People have the right to believe what they want whether I agree with it or not. What's the end game anyhow? We're all cosmic dust and most people will suffer one way or the other when the time comes.

[Spider-Dan]

If the unvaccinated people who don't trust Big Pharma and corrupt doctors were willing to stick to their guns and stay home when they get sick, my position on vaccination would be very close to "Reap what you sow." But since other, more responsible Americans are suffering due to the strained medical system, their selfish ignorance has become everyone's problem.

I can only hope that neither I nor my friends and family have the misfortune to need medical services during this time.

[Dave Gray]

I agree with you, Dan, in theory.

But in practice, I think these numbers will naturally wane pretty soon and the hospital overcrowding argument will be gone.  I'm not sure it makes sense to take practical steps to legislate something that I think is going to happen anyway.

I wrote you personally on Facebook messenger, asking a question about COVID stats ...not sure if you saw it.

[pondwater]

people who don't trust Big Pharma and corrupt doctors

If you remove Covid from the conversation, those people are far and wide on the left and right. In fact the further left or right you go on the spectrum the less trust there is of "Big Pharma". So I'm not sure you're helping your case

[CF DolFan]

If you remove Covid from the conversation, those people are far and wide on the left and right. In fact the further left or right you go on the spectrum the less trust there is of "Big Pharma". So I'm not sure you're helping your case

Kind of like how in New York it's mostly the minorities who aren't allowed into restruants and such. The people with shots and the all racist "ID" are allowed to live accordingly.