Rumor: Miami Wants to Retain Most of Defensive Staff

[EDGECRUSHER]

That's a rare move and might not sit well with the incoming HC. That being said, it's not like defense was really a problem for us. Maybe we can sell that to a new guy and he is fine with it but it can't be set in stone. New HC has to hire his guys so even if he wants to dump a good staff, so be it. Can't handcuff him from Day 1.

[CF DolFan]

I agree with you. I don't blame staff for trying to sell Josh and the defensive staff but ultimately it should be up to the coach.

[pondwater]

That's a rare move and might not sit well with the incoming HC. That being said, it's not like defense was really a problem for us. Maybe we can sell that to a new guy and he is fine with it but it can't be set in stone. New HC has to hire his guys so even if he wants to dump a good staff, so be it. Can't handcuff him from Day 1.

But that's exactly how it needs to be. We don't have a problem on defense, at least not the 2nd half of the year. We need to retain the core group, upgrade a couple areas, and keep the scheme and playbook. The question I would like to know is who was responsible for the defense for the first 8 games and who was responsible for the last 9 games? That really the main difference between our losing streak and our winning streak. Offensive may have been slightly better but it was negligible.

We need someone who will fix the offense, keep the defense, and make good game decisions and management. What we get at this point who the fuck knows?

[CF DolFan]

Edge ... it's aslo a rare move to fire a head coach with a winning record and winning defense. Tyically teams fire coaches where everything seems to be going wrong.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Edge ... it's aslo a rare move to fire a head coach with a winning record and winning defense. Tyically teams fire coaches where everything seems to be going wrong.

Yeah, so we're really in uncharted territory here. I'm fine with unorthodox but we can't do unorthodox and stupid.Head Coach picks the staff. Great if he likes our defensive guys and we don't have to go hunting but if he wants his own crew, then so be it.

[EDGECRUSHER]

But that's exactly how it needs to be. We don't have a problem on defense, at least not the 2nd half of the year. We need to retain the core group, upgrade a couple areas, and keep the scheme and playbook. The question I would like to know is who was responsible for the defense for the first 8 games and who was responsible for the last 9 games? That really the main difference between our losing streak and our winning streak. Offensive may have been slightly better but it was negligible.

We need someone who will fix the offense, keep the defense, and make good game decisions and management. What we get at this point who the fuck knows?

I don't know, but something changed obviously. I find it hard to believe the issue was with the DC and OC and then Flores took the reigns and turned us into a powerhouse. The OCs could definitely be a problem but did our Defensive Staff really do nothing and it was all Flores who turned it around?

[masterfins]

The question I would like to know is who was responsible for the defense for the first 8 games and who was responsible for the last 9 games? That really the main difference between our losing streak and our winning streak. Offensive may have been slightly better but it was negligible.

Well you can't rely on your Defense to win all your games for you, the Offense needs to put points on the board and they weren't.  Scoring 17 points a game isn't going to win you many games in the NFL.  I could see blaming the Defense for a couple of those losses that were high scoring losses (Atlanta and Raiders), but Miami wasn't going to win some of those other blowout losses even if the defense played well (Buffalo and Tampa games come to mind).  Overall I can't think of one game where I thought "hey Miami's Offense is dominate today", but there were multiple games where I thought the Defense was playing great.

Anyways, regarding the topic at hand I think if they bring in a HC who was a DC previously, then he would want his own guys.  But if the new HC was formerly an OC, then he would be less likely to be upset about retaining the existing defensive staff.  Of course if Flores gets a HC gig then he may raid the defensive staff for his new team.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Anyways, regarding the topic at hand I think if they bring in a HC who was a DC previously, then he would want his own guys.  But if the new HC was formerly an OC, then he would be less likely to be upset about retaining the existing defensive staff.  Of course if Flores gets a HC gig then he may raid the defensive staff for his new team.

Flores was fired for his poor hiring and relations with staff so I don't think Josh Boyer is answering his calls. You are right though in regards to an offensive minded coach maybe not wanting to hire all new people if he has good ones in house. One less thing to worry about but they really need to click.

[Downunder Dolphan]

Yeah, so we're really in uncharted territory here. I'm fine with unorthodox but we can't do unorthodox and stupid.Head Coach picks the staff. Great if he likes our defensive guys and we don't have to go hunting but if he wants his own crew, then so be it.

Not entirely uncharted territory... Ross has gone from lumbering a prospective head coach with a GM they mightn't want, to a whole defense staff they mightn't want either.

Is anyone remotely surprised that we don't seem to be attracting the best available coaches?

[fyo]

I have absolutely no problem with Ross/Grier saying to a prospective Head Coach that they want him to keep the existing defensive coaching staff initially. The key word is initially. The Head Coach has to have final say over coaching hires. So if an incoming HC has a few meetings with the existing defensive staff and decides that some (or even all) cannot be kept around for whatever reason, that has to be within his power.

We've all seen under Flores how hiring competent staff isn't trivial and starting with a (seemingly) competent staff on one side of the ball shouldn't scare off any candidates, at least not unless they are very defensive minded and know exactly what they want to do on that side of the ball. And, honestly, if you want to keep the existing defensive staff, then that's not the kind of HC you hire.

Brian Daboll and Doug Pederson should be just fine with this, *if* they have full authority to make any changes they want for whatever reason at whatever time.

[CF DolFan]

I have absolutely no problem with Ross/Grier saying to a prospective Head Coach that they want him to keep the existing defensive coaching staff initially. The key word is initially. The Head Coach has to have final say over coaching hires. So if an incoming HC has a few meetings with the existing defensive staff and decides that some (or even all) cannot be kept around for whatever reason, that has to be within his power.

We've all seen under Flores how hiring competent staff isn't trivial and starting with a (seemingly) competent staff on one side of the ball shouldn't scare off any candidates, at least not unless they are very defensive minded and know exactly what they want to do on that side of the ball. And, honestly, if you want to keep the existing defensive staff, then that's not the kind of HC you hire.

Brian Daboll and Doug Pederson should be just fine with this, *if* they have full authority to make any changes they want for whatever reason at whatever time.

I kind of think that is how they are presenting Tua in my head. Keep Tua for a year and then if you aren't happy then we can go with whoever you want.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I kind of think that is how they are prestnng Tua in my head. Keep Tua for a year and then if you aren't happy sand we can go with whoever you want.

Which is the way to go. There are no other options for 2022 other than Tua. Not going to draft someone 29th overall and no free agents are available. So, give Tua a REAL chance to succeed with good coaching, an O-Line and more than one receiver and see what you got. He sucks or is mediocre? You got two 1st rounders in 2023 to make moves. That's fair to everyone.

[masterfins]

Flores was fired for his poor hiring and relations with staff so I don't think Josh Boyer is answering his calls. You are right though in regards to an offensive minded coach maybe not wanting to hire all new people if he has good ones in house. One less thing to worry about but they really need to click.

I think the problem with a lot of guys from the Bellicheat coaching tree is that they don't understand that they have to actually win something before they go acting like assholes like Bellicheat.  Win a SB, then you can get away with being an ass.