NFL Network: Ross Could Be Forced to Sell if Allegations True

[EDGECRUSHER]

News dump. Key word is IF. The allegations have to be proven 100% true without a doubt. I can only think of texts and emails to prove that since Flores says that he didn't take the money. I would be in favor of this happening but at this moment, I don't believe it is true. It's just.....tacky. You tell the HC the plan and that entails playing the young guys and not the veterans who won't be contributing the next year or so. You don't tell him he will be financially compensated for losing and you don't make it a shitty $100k a game, insulting for a billionaire.

Besides, how could Flores reasonably tank games and not have it be obvious? Take a knee on 4th down? Punt from the opponents 19 yard line?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Besides, how could Flores reasonably tank games and not have it be obvious? Take a knee on 4th down? Punt from the opponents 19 yard line?

Based on reading the shame of the games threads on this board, he might have tanked a few that seemed obvious to casual fans. 

Poor clock management, poor play selection, poor player packages, etc.  Wouldn’t need to punt on 1st down, to lose a game.  Just look like a bad coach. 

That is part of the problem for a coach in this situation.  Boss tells him to tank, he does, then when boss fires him, fans and other teams think the coach sucks. 

If allegations that Flores was offered cash to lose games can be proven Ross will be forced to sell and could go to jail.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Based on reading the shame of the games threads on this board, he might have tanked a few that seemed obvious to casual fans. 

Poor clock management, poor play selection, poor player packages, etc.  Wouldn’t need to punt on 1st down, to lose a game.  Just look like a bad coach. 

That is part of the problem for a coach in this situation.  Boss tells him to tank, he does, then when boss fires him, fans and other teams think the coach sucks. 

If allegations that Flores was offered cash to lose games can be proven Ross will be forced to sell and could go to jail.

Ross is too old and rich to go to jail, but it is something that you or I might do time for.

Thing is, has Flores denied tanking? If so, no evidence there either. If Flores did in fact take the money and tanked and is lying about it, he's in just as much trouble as Ross is and he doesn't have Billions to protect him.

[Fau Teixeira]

I'm still unaware about what law specifically ross has broken if he's set the team strategy to tank for a better draft pick.

[Dave Gray]

It seems like it falls under racketeering to me.

It's defrauding to pay your management to fail on purpose when you have investors, clients, sponsors and surrounding industries (while being a managed monopoly) that are all operating under this shared understanding of an integrity to the outcome of this stuff.

Fixing sporting events as an executive is illegal...c'mon.  I don't know what specific charge it's called.

[EDGECRUSHER]

It seems like it falls under racketeering to me.

It's defrauding to pay your management to fail on purpose when you have investors, clients, sponsors and surrounding industries (while being a managed monopoly) that are all operating under this shared understanding of an integrity to the outcome of this stuff.

Fixing sporting events as an executive is illegal...c'mon.  I don't know what specific charge it's called.

Yeah, same here. I can't tell you exactly what law it is but I know it's something illegal. Same as an owner betting on his own games. Still, the level of proof for these things has to be ironclad. Can't just say "he wanted Josh Rosen to start over the more experienced Ryan Fitzpatrick". Better be some texts or emails and they can't end in "lol".

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm still unaware about what law specifically ross has broken if he's set the team strategy to tank for a better draft pick.

You are starting to sound like Tucker Carson asking dumb questions that have been answered  “nobody can explain to me how a statue of Lee is racist but one of Washington is not, both owned slaves“.

18 U.S.C. § 224 for the third or fourth time.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Re: How Ross could have benefited. 

It has been posted here and on other sites that it would be extremely difficult for Ross to place a large enough bet against the Dolphins that would justify the $100,000 cost without being caught.  Fair enough. 

Ross owns a company that sells services to sports books. 

How valuable to a sports book would it be to know a team was throwing a game?  When everyone else is +150 on the Dolphins -140 on the other team, you set the line +155, -145.  So almost all the money bet at your sportsbook is on the Dolphins to win.  Folks betting against the Dolphins bet at books that are more favorable. 

How does Ross get his money?  He sells services to sports books.  What is a fair price for those services?  How would anyone know if a $500,000 buy was for something that is really only worth $50k?

[Downunder Dolphan]

Ross has got to be hoping the growing momentum about having Snyder being forced to sell Washington will buy him enough time for this to blow over...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-owners-sense-that-time-has-come-for-daniel-snyder-to-move-on-as-washington-owner-per-report/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brian-flores-lawsuit-dolphins-stephen-ross-could-lose-team-if-tanking-allegations-proven-true-per-report/

Otherwise it will be a big change in the NFL landscape with the ownership of three teams changing in a short time (Miami, Washington, Denver). I've never seen anything like it in my time.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Ross has got to be hoping the growing momentum about having Snyder being forced to sell Washington will buy him enough time for this to blow over...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-owners-sense-that-time-has-come-for-daniel-snyder-to-move-on-as-washington-owner-per-report/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brian-flores-lawsuit-dolphins-stephen-ross-could-lose-team-if-tanking-allegations-proven-true-per-report/

Otherwise it will be a big change in the NFL landscape with the ownership of three teams changing in a short time (Miami, Washington, Denver). I've never seen anything like it in my time.

Snyder is a piece of shit, there is no way he goes out quietly. Owning an NFL franchise is much more prestigious than the money that comes from it since only 32 people in the world can own a team but there are over a thousand billionaires. If he has any communications with the other owners or league that will paint them in a very negative or illegal light, he will undoubtedly release them if he is ousted. Not saying the owners are dumb but sometimes you get to a point where you feel above the law and you do dumb things like send racist emails or even emails exposing some illegal scheme. I can't rule that out even if it is a bit unlikely.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Ross has got to be hoping the growing momentum about having Snyder being forced to sell Washington will buy him enough time for this to blow over...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-owners-sense-that-time-has-come-for-daniel-snyder-to-move-on-as-washington-owner-per-report/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brian-flores-lawsuit-dolphins-stephen-ross-could-lose-team-if-tanking-allegations-proven-true-per-report/

Otherwise it will be a big change in the NFL landscape with the ownership of three teams changing in a short time (Miami, Washington, Denver). I've never seen anything like it in my time.

Snyder possibly could be cover that distracts people from Ross.  Or particularly being Congress seems bent on getting involved be a multiplier that draws more attention. 

Snyder is a piece of shit, there is no way he goes out quietly. Owning an NFL franchise is much more prestigious than the money that comes from it since only 32 people in the world can own a team but there are over a thousand billionaires. If he has any communications with the other owners or league that will paint them in a very negative or illegal light, he will undoubtedly release them if he is ousted. Not saying the owners are dumb but sometimes you get to a point where you feel above the law and you do dumb things like send racist emails or even emails exposing some illegal scheme. I can't rule that out even if it is a bit unlikely.

I agree.  Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Snider was the one who leaked the Jon Gruden emails to send a message, 'if I go down, a lot of you are going down with me too"  There might be a few owners whose public and private statements about kneeling and Kapernick are quite divergent. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

Snyder possibly could be cover that distracts people from Ross.  Or particularly being Congress seems bent on getting involved be a multiplier that draws more attention. 

I agree.  Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Snider was the one who leaked the Jon Gruden emails to send a message, 'if I go down, a lot of you are going down with me too"  There might be a few owners whose public and private statements about kneeling and Kapernick are quite divergent. 

I forgot to mention that Snyder would obviously sue if they tried to force him and this would be held up in legal limbo for years. A very messy few years. Don't see it happening without real crimes being charged against him, not just disgusting behavior followed by no charges.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I forgot to mention that Snyder would obviously sue if they tried to force him and this would be held up in legal limbo for years. A very messy few years. Don't see it happening without real crimes being charged against him, not just disgusting behavior followed by no charges.

What crimes were Jerry Richardson convicted of?  How about Donald Sterling?

And apparently the NFL owners have the right to vote some one out.  Don’t know how many owners would have to vote yes, but I assume it would be 21 (2/3) or 24 (3/4). 

[EDGECRUSHER]

What crimes were Jerry Richardson convicted of?  How about Donald Sterling?

And apparently the NFL owners have the right to vote some one out.  Don’t know how many owners would have to vote yes, but I assume it would be 21 (2/3) or 24 (3/4). 

I mean to give the owners and the league cover to vote him out, it would have to be really substantial. An arrest or criminal charges filed would give them that cover. Without it, I don't think the owners would even hold a vote. Way too much downside for them to try to take out Snyder and fail or risk him running the team for years while this plays out in the courts. I do not put it past Snyder to offer his players large bounties to injure the other team's QB if their owner voted him out.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I mean to give the owners and the league cover to vote him out, it would have to be really substantial. An arrest or criminal charges filed would give them that cover. Without it, I don't think the owners would even hold a vote. Way too much downside for them to try to take out Snyder and fail or risk him running the team for years while this plays out in the courts. I do not put it past Snyder to offer his players large bounties to injure the other team's QB if their owner voted him out.

I doubt the resolution to remove him would give him the power to do that. He would lose all control and the team which would be managed by a trust unto the sale was completed.