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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2022, 09:40:24 am »

I don't normally share such intimate details online, especially about my finances.  However, I just think that we're so quick to complain about government and programs and who gets helped and all this stuff seems so nebulous.  But finally my train came in and it will matter a whole lot to my family.
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2022, 10:12:41 am »

To clarify, we didn't get better terms.  In our case, the remainder of the debt was wiped.

As an incentive to become a teacher, where your pay isn't good, as compared to the education level required for the position, there are programs to expunge debt if you teach for x amount of years or in certain subject areas or whatever.  It's also to prevent teachers from leaving for the private sector where the pay is better.

But that program had weird clauses....like, you had to pay for 10 years -- but it had to be 10 consecutive years with unrealistically strict terms.  My wife got promoted to the district level (still working for the school) but since she was out of the classroom, that stopped the consecutive payments streak within the classroom....not really the spirit of the rule.  Another thing has to do with teaching certificates.  Sometimes (I don't know the exact details), but your teaching certificate will expire and you have to be rehired -- and sometimes you'll get hired on a temporary certificate...something like that.  But that isn't considered part of the 10 years.

Anyway, we kinda got screwed on those things, because...frankly, they were bullshit technicalities, which the federal government recognized and corrected.  So, they retroactively credited all of the payments to the 10 year program thing and resolved the debt.

I don't normally share such intimate details online, especially about my finances.  However, I just think that we're so quick to complain about government and programs and who gets helped and all this stuff seems so nebulous.  But finally my train came in and it will matter a whole lot to my family.

I'm glad you got this 800 pound elephant off your back.   Debt can be crippling if you're not careful, even student loan debt.   I, personally, try to avoid debt whenever possible.  My wife and I have a couple of rewards credit cards that we pay all our monthly bills with, but we make it a point to slam them each month so that they have a zero balance.  When we need to make a big purchase, we find a good deal but one that also involves zero interest for a certain period of time.

As for the story involving your wife, I agree, it was technicalities that shouldn't have been in the way to begin with.   If she was still working for the school system, then she should've reaped the benefits.   They are doing that because of the shortage of teachers in Florida and in the nation.   They are also letting people with no experience teach public school as long as they have at least a bachelors degree and can pass a couple of exams.  My wife had an advertising degree and went into teaching this year after subbing last year.
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2022, 03:37:54 pm »

No offense to anyone here. But I disagree entirely. If you agree to borrow money, you should pay that money back.

In theory, I agree. However, as someone who just turnd 40, kids these days are idiots and shouldn't even be allowed internet access until they reach 25. They have no right to be making life altering decisions at 18. They just can't grasp the concept of how much the debt really means and what it would take to pay it off. Banks know this and pray on them.

If I made $40k a year, no bank would give me a $50k loan. So, why does a kid whose degree maxes out at $50k a year get over $100k?

For the record, I am not in favor of clearing out all student loans as to do so without fixing the prices of colleges and lending practices would be like having someone file for bankruptcy but keep their credit cards. I don't like how we are creating debt slaves who are doomed at 21 but I also don't have a lot of great solutions to it either other than public executions for the lenders and deans of colleges.
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2022, 08:43:38 pm »

How would you feel about such a program if, instead of the government paying off student loans, the feds simply gave student debtors a tax break that was precisely equivalent to [the amount of their yearly student loan payments, over the length of time they will be required to pay them]?

You don't strike me as the kind of person who opposes tax breaks, especially for corporations or business owners.
For it to be equivalent the person getting the tax breaks would have to generate enough business, jobs, etc. so that the taxes were made up in other areas. Corporate tax breaks are not just gifts. They have to generate more than what's given  ... at least on paper.


Anyway, we kinda got screwed on those things, because...frankly, they were bullshit technicalities, which the federal government recognized and corrected. 
This was the Federal government and not the state? I thought that schools and teachers fall under state programs.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2022, 09:01:03 pm »

This was the Federal government and not the state? I thought that schools and teachers fall under state programs.

There are federal TEACH grant programs
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2022, 11:25:09 pm »

Can I safely assume that you don't agree with tax credits to farmers, corporations, and business interests?

It depends.  Some I agree with, some I don't.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2022, 11:36:30 pm »

For it to be equivalent the person getting the tax breaks would have to generate enough business, jobs, etc. so that the taxes were made up in other areas. Corporate tax breaks are not just gifts. They have to generate more than what's given  ... at least on paper.
The person getting the tax break is receiving the money to spend elsewhere, just like a corporation would.  Put another way: if I receive a $50k tax break on my student loans and now I can afford to go buy that $50k Tesla I wanted, isn't that "generating as much business" as if Tesla received a $50k tax break?

Corporate tax subsidies are welfare, just like any other welfare program.  There are qualifying conditions and if you meet them, the government gives you money.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2022, 08:31:13 am »

This was the Federal government and not the state? I thought that schools and teachers fall under state programs.

The student loans are Federally provided.  And this particular change to the temporary wording came through Federal Executive Order and lasts one year.

The needs of the State might play into subject area or location or whatever...that didn't apply to us.  Ours was based on longevity -- 10 years.
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