Mainstream media bias and Sound of Freedom

[CF DolFan]

CF, you seem to be ignoring a point that Fausto made and that Brian kinda separately made in a different way.  And it's a logical fallacy I see you make a lot called "appeal to authority".  

Science isn't "this one scientist".  Science is a process.  What one person says, whether they invented something or not, is not relevant.  They might be right, they might be wrong.  It's a consensus of opinion based on testing the finding of other scientists and determining fact.  It's not just one person's belief.

You can always find one scientist (and probably a credible scientist) who will reject findings based on their own unintentional biases or being unable to control for variables or whatever.  If you have a belief and you're trying to find a scientist to agree with you, you will find it.  But it will be valueless.

LOL ... I don't disagree with you. Where we disagree is the consensus that main stream media is giving us. I no longer buy into it. Blackrock and Vanguard own almost all of them as well as the labs, the pharmaceutical companies etc.  Surely you've seen the news clip of 100s of station broadcasting the exact same thing on FOX, CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS. this was done by Sinclair Media and guess what? The Vanguard Group and BlackRock Inc. are the second and third largest shareholders of Sinclair media. That is just freaking scary control of the masses or as they all said .... "This is extremely dangerous to our democracy."

https://youtu.be/ksb3KD6DfSI

Long story short is someone is credible, has zero to gain and everything to lose as they are going against the masses they most likely are legit or at least on the right path.

[Spider-Dan]

CF, that video shows the opposite of what you think it does.
Sinclair Media is a conservative-owned organization.  The video you cited was mandated by ownership, and the thing they are "warning about" is the [liberal] media pushing their biased narratives.  In other words, they are advocating your position.

See:
Sinclair, the pro-Trump, conservative company taking over local news, explained
The Growth of Sinclair’s Conservative Media Empire
Sinclair increases 'must-run' Boris Epshteyn segments

John Oliver did a Last Week Tonight segment on Sinclair, which predates the "must run" mandatory announcement you linked above.

[CF DolFan]

CF, that video shows the opposite of what you think it does.
Sinclair Media is a conservative-owned organization.  The video you cited was mandated by ownership, and the thing they are "warning about" is the [liberal] media pushing their biased narratives.  In other words, they are advocating your position.

See:
Sinclair, the pro-Trump, conservative company taking over local news, explained
The Growth of Sinclair’s Conservative Media Empire
Sinclair increases 'must-run' Boris Epshteyn segments

John Oliver did a Last Week Tonight segment on Sinclair, which predates the "must run" mandatory announcement you linked above.

It shows exactly what I said and I don't care what political leaning party you attach it to. Those stations are supposedly both liberal and conservative and shows just how easily it is to spin the narrative across many media outlets. If that doesn't scare you I don't know that anything would.

Hell ... we literally have a movie against sex trafficking of kids and somehow MSM thinks it's ok to attack the movie as being a danger to society ... not too mention no one would distribute it. That's as F'ed up as it gets. There is no way you can convince me that some rich and powerful people don't want it to be exposed and those same people control what you and I see.

[Spider-Dan]

CF, regardless of whether you think those stations are "liberal or conservative," the fact is that the conservative ownership issued a order from above that the statement you linked MUST BE recorded and broadcast verbatim.  In the specific example you gave, there is no "both sides"; it's conservatives that did it.

I don't know what QAnon movie you're referring to, but the idea that it's being suppressed by the rich and powerful is just more Q conspiracy silliness, much like everything Q has to say about the COVID vaccines.  I'm sure you could just as easily categorize some anti-vax QAnon "documentary" as "a movie against spreading diseases to our kids."

[CF DolFan]

CF, regardless of whether you think those stations are "liberal or conservative," the fact is that the conservative ownership issued a order from above that the statement you linked MUST BE recorded and broadcast verbatim.  In the specific example you gave, there is no "both sides"; it's conservatives that did it.

I don't know what QAnon movie you're referring to, but the idea that it's being suppressed by the rich and powerful is just more Q conspiracy silliness, much like everything Q has to say about the COVID vaccines.  I'm sure you could just as easily categorize some anti-vax QAnon "documentary" as "a movie against spreading diseases to our kids."

There is absolutely nothing QAnon about that movie but it's nice to know you are continuing to throw out name-calling when you have no answers. Name calling has been the progressive argument for this movie but if you've watched it I would love to know where you are drawing that line. No insinuations about movie or tv execs. The closest thing would be that they say something like rich Americans are their best customers one time in the movie ... which I thought everyone already knew.

[Spider-Dan]

What's the name of the movie?

[Dave Gray]

I believe he's referring to a movie called Sound of Freedom.

It has had an unconventional run and there's some weird stuff going on with the way its been promoted and paid for, but it's done very well at the box office.  While not specifically a movie about Q-Anon stuff, it is about busting up child molesting rings and that's a pivotal part of a lot of conspiracies with Q-Anon and has been marketed towards that community using conspiracy tactics (not sure if it's organic or by the movie's creatives).  It's one of those faith-based films that targets church communities (and stars Jim Caveziel, who has been very outspoken for the religious right) and there's some kind of pay-it-forward thing going on where people (or maybe even donors???) are buying lots of tickets.  But there's reports of sold out showings with just a few people in the theater.  It was kind of like guerilla marketing like how The Blair Witch Project came out of nowhere.

It's done gangbusters for a movie of its budget, though, and is part of the reason why the attendance at the theater has been so good this last weekend.

[Spider-Dan]

Literally the first result when googling "sound of freedom qanon":

QAnon supporters are promoting 'Sound of Freedom.' Here's why

Sound of Freedom, a Christian thriller about a former federal agent rescuing children from exploitation, is this summer's surprise box office hit. Made for about $15 million, it earned almost as much on its release day as the final installment of Indiana Jones and has raked in more than $85 million since opening earlier this month.

But the movie is also being criticized as a vehicle for conspiracy theories and misleading depictions of human trafficking — landing it in the middle of the country's politically polarized culture wars.

The film, based on a real-life, controversial anti-trafficking activist, is being heavily promoted in conservative media. Former President Donald Trump is hosting a screening on Wednesday at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J .

A big part of its success is an appeal from its star, Jim Caviezel, who comes on screen at the end urging viewers to buy more tickets so other people can see it and help end child trafficking. It's a model distributor Angel Studios calls "pay it forward." [...]

In press appearances promoting Sound of Freedom, Caviezel continues to spout QAnon falsehoods. On a recent episode of former Trump adviser Steve Bannon's podcast, Caviezel claimed "the whole adrenochrome empire" is driving demand for trafficked children. "It's an elite drug that they've used for many years," he asserted, falsely claiming it is "10 times more potent than heroin" and "has some mystical qualities as far as making you look younger." [...]

Executives at Angel Studios, the film's distributor, have publicly rejected any association with conspiracies. So have Tim Ballard, the former federal agent Caviezel plays in the movie, and his organization, Operation Underground Railroad. (Angel Studios declined NPR's interview request. Operation Underground Railroad did not respond to NPR's questions.)

But Ballard recently told right-wing podcadster Jordan Peterson that claimed adrenochrome harvesting is real. His statements, and Caviezel's, have an impact on how Sound of Freedom is being received, said Mike Rothschild, author of The Storm Is Upon Us: How QAnon Became a Movement, Cult, and Conspiracy Theory of Everything.

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Like much of the rest of conservative media, this movie is a straight up grift being pushed to empty the pockets of QAnoners (and the right more broadly).  Hey guys, you can all fight child sex trafficking by buying lots of tickets to this movie!  Buy out the whole theater to save the kids!

Talk all you want about woke social justice warriors, but you don't see Margot Robbie standing up at the end of Barbie and telling the audience to Pay It Forward and buy up showings of that movie to help lift up women.  I will never cease to be amazed by the amount of open grift on the right.  And y'all don't even get mad about it!

Now please send me $50 to help Build The Wall.

[pondwater]

Y'all got way too much time on your hands LMFAO

[CF DolFan]

I believe he's referring to a movie called Sound of Freedom.

It has had an unconventional run and there's some weird stuff going on with the way its been promoted and paid for, but it's done very well at the box office.  While not specifically a movie about Q-Anon stuff, it is about busting up child molesting rings and that's a pivotal part of a lot of conspiracies with Q-Anon and has been marketed towards that community using conspiracy tactics (not sure if it's organic or by the movie's creatives).  It's one of those faith-based films that targets church communities (and stars Jim Caveziel, who has been very outspoken for the religious right) and there's some kind of pay-it-forward thing going on where people (or maybe even donors???) are buying lots of tickets.  But there's reports of sold out showings with just a few people in the theater.  It was kind of like guerilla marketing like how The Blair Witch Project came out of nowhere.

It's done gangbusters for a movie of its budget, though, and is part of the reason why the attendance at the theater has been so good this last weekend.

It's being marketed strangely because Disney, Netflix, Amazon, and others refused to distribute it so a small Christian company with little to no money did. This isn't their normal type of distribution but they got it done. "The studio uses equity crowdfunding to finance its original productions by offering individual investors the opportunity to purchase shares in the company and its titles. Content produced by Angel Studios is distributed for free on their own streaming service.[2] Some titles are also available in other third-party streaming services as distribution deals."

Literally the first result when googling "sound of freedom qanon":

QAnon supporters are promoting 'Sound of Freedom.' Here's why

Sound of Freedom, a Christian thriller about a former federal agent rescuing children from exploitation, is this summer's surprise box office hit. Made for about $15 million, it earned almost as much on its release day as the final installment of Indiana Jones and has raked in more than $85 million since opening earlier this month.

But the movie is also being criticized as a vehicle for conspiracy theories and misleading depictions of human trafficking — landing it in the middle of the country's politically polarized culture wars.

The film, based on a real-life, controversial anti-trafficking activist, is being heavily promoted in conservative media. Former President Donald Trump is hosting a screening on Wednesday at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J .

A big part of its success is an appeal from its star, Jim Caviezel, who comes on screen at the end urging viewers to buy more tickets so other people can see it and help end child trafficking. It's a model distributor Angel Studios calls "pay it forward." [...]

In press appearances promoting Sound of Freedom, Caviezel continues to spout QAnon falsehoods. On a recent episode of former Trump adviser Steve Bannon's podcast, Caviezel claimed "the whole adrenochrome empire" is driving demand for trafficked children. "It's an elite drug that they've used for many years," he asserted, falsely claiming it is "10 times more potent than heroin" and "has some mystical qualities as far as making you look younger." [...]

Executives at Angel Studios, the film's distributor, have publicly rejected any association with conspiracies. So have Tim Ballard, the former federal agent Caviezel plays in the movie, and his organization, Operation Underground Railroad. (Angel Studios declined NPR's interview request. Operation Underground Railroad did not respond to NPR's questions.)

But Ballard recently told right-wing podcadster Jordan Peterson that claimed adrenochrome harvesting is real. His statements, and Caviezel's, have an impact on how Sound of Freedom is being received, said Mike Rothschild, author of The Storm Is Upon Us: How QAnon Became a Movement, Cult, and Conspiracy Theory of Everything.

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Like much of the rest of conservative media, this movie is a straight up grift being pushed to empty the pockets of QAnoners (and the right more broadly).  Hey guys, you can all fight child sex trafficking by buying lots of tickets to this movie!  Buy out the whole theater to save the kids!

Talk all you want about woke social justice warriors, but you don't see Margot Robbie standing up at the end of Barbie and telling the audience to Pay It Forward and buy up showings of that movie to help lift up women.  I will never cease to be amazed by the amount of open grift on the right.  And y'all don't even get mad about it!

Now please send me $50 to help Build The Wall.

And drug dealers support democrats so does that make all democrats drug dealers in your eyes? Hahahaha ... I seriously think you are punking us some times.

MSM media supported fake biasness against the film just like I said? You guys are literally defending child sex trafficking as being worthy of being defended because someone who fell for a dumb conspiracy supports the movie? There are a shit ton of disgusting actors in Hollywood.  In all honesty there is no reason in the world to defend something criticizing child sex trafficking to a normal person.  I would think we all would be against child sex trafficking but apparently not.

[Fau Teixeira]

In press appearances promoting Sound of Freedom, Caviezel continues to spout QAnon falsehoods. On a recent episode of former Trump adviser Steve Bannon's podcast, Caviezel claimed "the whole adrenochrome empire" is driving demand for trafficked children. "It's an elite drug that they've used for many years," he asserted, falsely claiming it is "10 times more potent than heroin" and "has some mystical qualities as far as making you look younger." [...]

isn't that the plot to Jupiter Ascending ?

[Dave Gray]

It's being marketed strangely because Disney, Netflix, Amazon, and others refused to distribute it so a small Christian company with little to no money did.

This is just a weird way to say this.  Movie studios want their films to do well.  But plenty of movies are made and don't get distribution rights or it takes a long time or there's bidding and stuff like that.  This movie wasn't targeted.  It just wasn't selected, just like thousands of other movies that don't get picked.

It's just more conspiracy.
There were also conspiracies about AMC turning off A/C during showings.  I personally saw the same weirdos on Facebook talking about this movie by discrediting other films and pushing the whole "they don't want you to see it" narrative.

I know a whole lot about movies.  I watch a lot and follow the industry.  It was just weird that I'd never heard of this movie and all of a sudden it's making huge money.  Good for them, though.  It's just guerilla marketing, focusing on a small, but loyal subset of moviegoers.

[Spider-Dan]

MSM media supported fake biasness against the film just like I said? You guys are literally defending child sex trafficking as being worthy of being defended because someone who fell for a dumb conspiracy supports the movie? There are a shit ton of disgusting actors in Hollywood.  In all honesty there is no reason in the world to defend something criticizing child sex trafficking to a normal person.  I would think we all would be against child sex trafficking but apparently not.

"Guys, this sex trafficking movie has nothing to do with the QAnon adrenochrome stuff... which, by the way, is all true and is a grave threat that we need to stop."

Perhaps the people who oppose this movie do so not because they are in favor of child sex trafficking, but instead because the person the movie was based on and the movie's lead actor are both using it to promote insane conspiracy theories about children being harvested for their hormones.

The only reason why this movie is making any money is because its insane QAnoner lead actor wisely determined that if he can activate conservative cultural grievance, y'all will flock to the theaters and buy multiple tickets to, once again, Own The Libs.   It is completely unhinged for a movie to ask its viewers to buy more tickets for other people at the conclusion; it's transparent grift.  Even you can't believe that buying more tickets to this movie somehow "saves kids from sex trafficking."

If you want to financially support a movie against sex trafficking, go buy a DVD of Taken.  At least Liam Neeson isn't out here screaming that Democrats want to kidnap your kids and steal their adrenochrome.

[Spider-Dan]

I split this discussion off into a separate topic.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

And drug dealers support democrats

Do you have some evidence of this? 

Illicit drug dealers are generally outside the political process.  And legal drug dealers aka the Pharmaceutical PACs contribute more to republicans than democrats.