Trump might be losing even his most diehard supportes.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It doesn't throw a wrench into what I said because I had never heard that and that's exactly what I said. I agree with you that he said it but I had never heard anyone say or write that until you brought it to my attention. I guess the outrage could be misinterpreted but I still maintain that killing people is a much more popular way of saying it.

I need to check on the well being of some of my former coworkers, my boss told me he 86ed all the temps for budget reasons I assumed they got laid off.  Maybe I should call the police.

[CF DolFan]

^^^^ In this day and age you just never know. People be crazy!! 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^^ In this day and age you just never know. People be crazy!! 

The mental gymnastics that one must perform to view this as a threat but not "Hang Mike Pence"

[CF DolFan]

The mental gymnastics that one must perform to view this as a threat but not "Hang Mike Pence"

Who said "Hang Mike Pence"? It's obviously a threat.

I've said this before but ... there is a small faction of MAGA who do or dies by Trump. They attack anything not sold out to Trump  ... even actual conservative Republicans.  They are just as crazy as the typically super ugly irrational liberal women and men screaming and crying about MAGA online. They certainly don't represent all or even a majority of the Republicans.

[Spider-Dan]

Who said "Hang Mike Pence"?

The people Trump pardoned for invading the Capitol on January 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOpWCtNqFQM

[CF DolFan]

The people Trump pardoned for invading the Capitol on January 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOpWCtNqFQM

Since you brought it up ... Kash Patel is getting ready to reveal just how much the FBI was involved with January 6th and says it may surprise and shock people. Kind of funny the Biden cover-up is now being exposed by liberals, Russiagate is continuing to blow up, and now January 6th is seemingly falling apart.  

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Since you brought it up ... Kash Patel is getting ready to reveal just how much the FBI was involved with January 6th and says it may surprise and shock people. Kind of funny the Biden cover-up is now being exposed by liberals, Russiagate is continuing to blow up, and now January 6th is seemingly falling apart.  

Standard Trump....big announcement without evidence then the evidence evidence doesn't support the announcement at least not the way the right-wing media spun the announcement.  But, I would not be shocked in the least if Trump appointments to the FBI were part of the attempted coup to prevent Biden from taking office.  Nor I am not surprised by your insinuation that Biden was somehow involved with Jan 6.  He was not in charge. Any involvement by the FBI on Jan 6 was done by the TRUMP FBI.  Not Biden FBI.

[Spider-Dan]

Since you brought it up ... Kash Patel is getting ready to reveal just how much the FBI was involved with January 6th and says it may surprise and shock people.

Right on schedule: immediately after labeling a picture of seashells spelling 8 6 4 7 a clear call for assassination, you have seamlessly pivoted to excuse-making for the people who chanted "Hang Mike Pence."

[CF DolFan]

Right on schedule: immediately after labeling a picture of seashells spelling 8 6 4 7 a clear call for assassination, you have seamlessly pivoted to excuse-making for the people who chanted "Hang Mike Pence."

I have no problem admitting I was wrong about that. I'm an old dude and had never heard that expression used that way.  I'm actually a Mike Pence fan although he is too nice of a guy to ever be president. He just fell into the trap of not sucking Trump's balls so the crazy people on the right attacked him. The same way they do DeSantis and others. Those same people wouldn't like me either and that's perfectly fine.  They aren't conservatives but a part of the Trump cult that doesn't think there should be any checks on him.

With that said I still don't think most of the January 6ers should have been arrested for various reasons and that includes the cultist Trumpers. They definitely shouldn't have been locked up for years with no trial. That is far more egregious than deporting illegals without this mysterious due process people think they deserve.  Our citizens are due that according to our laws.

[Sibster]

With that said I still don't think most of the January 6ers should have been arrested for various reasons and that includes the cultist Trumpers. They definitely shouldn't have been locked up for years with no trial. That is far more egregious than deporting illegals without this mysterious due process people think they deserve.  Our citizens are due that according to our laws.

This right here.   Due process and Constitutional rights are for American citizens and permanent residents (legal aliens).   If you came here illegally, you skipped due process coming in, so you shouldn't be entitled to come back and claim it going out.

[Spider-Dan]

With that said I still don't think most of the January 6ers should have been arrested for various reasons and that includes the cultist Trumpers. They definitely shouldn't have been locked up for years with no trial.

They received trials and were convicted, or outright pled guilty.  That is what due process is.

The absolute pinnacle of irony is in your next sentence:

That is far more egregious than deporting illegals without this mysterious due process people think they deserve.  Our citizens are due that according to our laws.

1.  You are literally talking about people who are being held in foreign prisons without a trial.
2.  According to the Constitution, any person on American soil is "due that," not just citizens.  US law does not provide for an underclass of people who have no rights and can simply be thrown in a dungeon forever with no trial.

[CF DolFan]

They received trials and were convicted, or outright pled guilty.  That is what due process is.

Umm if you were correct that would be true but that's the liberal spin. Hundreds were still awaiting trial in January 2025.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/on-fourth-anniversary-of-capitol-riot-fate-of-nearly-500-pending-cases-in-doubt-january-6/65-aca70b91-8746-43ef-8dc1-9b94115df0ad

WASHINGTON — The fate of nearly 500 criminal cases stemming from the mob attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, remained uncertain this week as the nation marked its fourth anniversary.

As of Monday, federal prosecutors had filed 1,583 cases connected to the Jan. 6 attack. Of those, approximately 1,100 have reached sentencing. According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, of the remaining cases, 170 involve defendants who have either been convicted or pleaded guilty and are awaiting sentencing and approximately 300 involve defendants still awaiting trial.

[Spider-Dan]

Oh, I'm not claiming that every criminal charge had been resolved.  But you're trying to imply that "awaiting trial" means the same thing as "locked up for years with no trial," which would only be true if all of these defendants were denied bail.  And that's not the case.

The idea that defendants who were released on bail and successfully gamed their cases with delays and postponements to avoid being sentenced (until Trump could pardon them) are somehow victims who have had their civil rights violated is ridiculous.

(Also, note that your article from January 2025 says there were 1,583 arrests in connection with January 6th, while the article I cited says that as of September 2023, there were 1,146 such cases, meaning that there were 437 additional cases from September 2023 to January 2025... which is significantly more than the 300 that were still awaiting trial in January 2025.)

[Pappy13]

This right here.   Due process and Constitutional rights are for American citizens and permanent residents (legal aliens).   If you came here illegally, you skipped due process coming in, so you shouldn't be entitled to come back and claim it going out.

Please explain to me how you determine someone's citizenship without due process? No one is suggesting that if they are illegal (as determined by due process) that they can't be deported, it's the fact they aren't even determining if they are illegal or not (by due process) that people are upset about. You understand that right?

[CF DolFan]

Please explain to me how you determine someone's citizenship without due process? No one is suggesting that if they are illegal (as determined by due process) that they can't be deported, it's the fact they aren't even determining if they are illegal or not (by due process) that people are upset about. You understand that right?

Well first of all, the Trump administration designated MS-13 as a foreign terrorist organization. If a person is a known member then they are treated like a terrorist and not a citizen. I get you probably think they are just nice illegals looking for a peaceful place to live but the law doesn't care about your feelings.