Iran / Israel Conflict

[Dave Gray]

Tough situation.

Here's where I'm at:

- I support Israel, in terms of "right to exist" and "right to defend itself'
- I support USA's financial involvement to protect Israel's security from aggressive neighbors, as well as measured retaliation (as I would any Democratic ally)
- I think the Netanyahu is a bad actor and has gone beyond defense to the point that he is now the aggressor, which I do not support -- in terms of Gaza
- Hamas sucks.  So does Iran.  So, Israel fighting Iran probably isn't good in terms of world peace, but I'm not torn up about it and I wouldn't be sad to see Iran toppled or weakened.
- I don't want the US caught up in an attempted regime change or any nation-building.
- If there is a specific goal, like to blow up Iran nuke capabilities to set back that program, I don't know that it's a great idea, but I understand it and at least there's a goal and an exit strategy.

[CF DolFan]

Iran of the 70s looked a lot like the US. The 1979 Islamic Revolution took them backwards quite a bit. Prior to that women had some rights and didn't need to cover their heads etc. Iranians, much like the Palestinians,  aren't bad people. It the people who run their countries. I think we have no choice but to support Israel as a Christian but I understand non-believers who don't think it's a good idea.

These are pics from 1975 in Iran.

[Fau Teixeira]

I agree with the message CF is showing but not saying. Nothing will ruin a country faster than religion.

[Phishfan]

Those photos of 1979 Iran is exactly why they don't like us.

[Sunstroke]

I agree with the message CF is showing but not saying. Nothing will ruin a country faster than religion. 

Can I get an Amen from the congregation?!?

[Spider-Dan]

The Iran of the 1970s was a US-backed dictatorship.  Far too often in our past, we have put whatever "commitment to democracy" we claim to support behind our real commitment to market capitalism.  It is a story that has repeated itself over and over in Latin America and the Middle East.

[CF DolFan]

The Iran of the 1970s was a US-backed dictatorship.  Far too often in our past, we have put whatever "commitment to democracy" we claim to support behind our real commitment to market capitalism.  It is a story that has repeated itself over and over in Latin America and the Middle East.

I can't say it's all the time but in general, I don't disagree with that.

[Sibster]

It's only a matter of time before liberals start putting "I stand with Iran" memes on their social media profiles, just like they did with Palestine.   

The problem is, current Iranian laws and customs go against everything the libs are fighting for.   Especially regarding women's rights and LGBTQ rights.

[Dave Gray]

It's only a matter of time before liberals start putting "I stand with Iran" memes on their social media profiles, just like they did with Palestine.   

The problem is, current Iranian laws and customs go against everything the libs are fighting for.   Especially regarding women's rights and LGBTQ rights.

You're pretty good about telling other people what they think.  How about telling us what you think?

[Sibster]

You're pretty good about telling other people what they think.  How about telling us what you think?

Honestly, I hope there's nothing left of Iran after Israel gets done with them.

[Fau Teixeira]

Honestly, I hope there's nothing left of Iran after Israel gets done with them.

predictable

[Spider-Dan]

Pretty hilarious to go from "But what about women's rights?" in one post directly to "I hope Israel kills everyone there" in the next.

Dead women have no rights to worry about.

[CF DolFan]

You can see Iranian women on Social Media nervous but excited for the possibility of a regime change. I saw a lady this morning saying the hope outweighs the fear because of all they have suffered under this regime. They do not want Israel to stop.

[Dave Gray]

The regime in Iran can 100% get fucked.

I just don't think I want to be the country to take that on with bombs.  I feel like I learned a few lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Spider-Dan]

Dave, that's an extremely relevant point: we used bombs to replace a patriarchal theocratic regime in Afghanistan with a modern democracy, and the people of Afghanistan eventually rejected that in favor of the previous theocratic system.

And it shouldn't be too hard to empathize: in America, a majority of the people who care enough to vote want fascism, just as a majority of Afghans or Iranians want a theocracy.