The Epstein List

[CF DolFan]

There is a list pulled from records and tons of evidence. Alan Dershowitz isn't one to just fabricate things.  There is no way this isn't cover up and if you're paying attention most the MAGA talking  heads are killing Trump right now for his goofy weak attempt to walk it back and cover it up. Roger Stone, Laura Ingraham, Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Shawn Ryan ... the list goes on and on.

The most logical answer is there are BIG names involved including leaders from other countries that were being blackmailed by the CIA. The CIA worked with cartels and killed past presidents so it isn't like they aren't capable. Pretending the evidence doesn't exist is a bigger conspiracy theory to me.

[Dave Gray]

I fully agree that Trump getting any kind of pass is stupid.  Bondi is just doing what Trump wants.  ....that's her job.  She serves at the pleasure of the president.  It's not like she's acting unilaterally.

[CF DolFan]

Supposedly Ghislaine Maxwell wants to spill the beans or be released. Haha ... might want to take out life insurance on her. These people are crazy.

[Spider-Dan]

And here we go: Trump is already laying the groundwork to release a "credible" list of names of Epstein's clients, which will somehow magically exclude Trump or any of his buddies.

As I already said: under no circumstances will Donald Trump release an Epstein list that contains his own name.

[Dave Gray]

I think that the best way to do this is to create a bi-partisan commission that doesn't answer to the president of like 4 members.  Then, they can comb through the files privately and determine if there are grounds for legal action against anyone, while maintaining people's privacy, reputation, and to protect victims.  And then they can collectively release what they feel is appropriate based on facts and law.

[Spider-Dan]

You mean like the "bipartisan" January 6 commission that Republicans instantly tried to fill up with the same House Reps that supported J6 in the first place?  The same commission that they decried as fake when non-insurrectionist Republicans were appointed instead?

Give it up, Dave.  Any such commission that a GOP House would allow to exist would be controlled by Trumpists, which would necessarily make it a farce.

[Dave Gray]

You mean like the "bipartisan" January 6 commission that Republicans instantly tried to fill up with the same House Reps that supported J6 in the first place?  The same commission that they decried as fake when non-insurrectionist Republicans were appointed instead?

Give it up, Dave.  Any such commission that a GOP House would allow to exist would be controlled by Trumpists, which would necessarily make it a farce.

I know none of this will happen on the up and up.  But if you really wanted to find out what happened and re-review the case for potential conviction, while also wanting to protect victims and random people not to get doxxed and put in danger, this is how you'd do it.  I'm not even accusing Trump of guilt -- but they were obviously friends and that clouds the appearance of impartiality, so remove it from the equation and put a special prosecutor on it.  That's how it's supposed to work.

If Trump really wanted this, that's the solution.

[Dave Gray]

I saw video of Trump saying that this all a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats.

It’s all right wing including him talking about it for years and years.  How dumb does he think his own people are?

There are lies and then there’s whatever this is.

[Spider-Dan]

They accept "It's because of the Democrat Party" as a valid excuse in every other circumstance, so why not try it now?

Remember, this is the same guy who directly said if there's something bad about the current economy, that's the Biden Economy, but if there's something good, that's the Trump Economy.

[CF DolFan]

And here we go: Trump is already laying the groundwork to release a "credible" list of names of Epstein's clients, which will somehow magically exclude Trump or any of his buddies.

As I already said: under no circumstances will Donald Trump release an Epstein list that contains his own name.

After 100s of lawsuits and whatever else they could dig up, do you really think the Obama and Biden Administrations have been sitting on Donald Trump's guilty evidence without leaking it? If so, they are complicit in covering up for Trump too ... haha.

I have no doubt Trump is covering up but my biggest question is for whom and why? Anyone who is or was doing this to these kids needs to be outed. If our government falls because of it then maybe it needed to.

[CF DolFan]

They accept "It's because of the Democrat Party" as a valid excuse in every other circumstance, so why not try it now?

Remember, this is the same guy who directly said if there's something bad about the current economy, that's the Biden Economy, but if there's something good, that's the Trump Economy.

No one is accepting crap. You don't seem to look at anything political as objective. Get on conservative Twitter some time and the biggest talking heads are still calling him out for covering it. Matt Walsh is my personal favorite at the moment. Since he now said he no longer wants our support if we are buying into the hoax he has pissed off many more. Trump is imploding as he doesn't know how to deal with this. He is desperate for this to go away which means it won't. Unfortunately for him, protecting kids is a number one issue for most conservatives ... as it should be for everyone.  

[Dave Gray]

I have no doubt Trump is covering up but my biggest question is for whom and why?

Uh....seriously?   [insert "we're all trying to find the guy who did this" hot dog meme]

If there is anything that looks messy for people, maybe it's his good friend Donald Trump who is all over photos and on tape saying that Epstein likes 'em young.

It would look bad for Trump, even if not illegal.  He would get dragged through the mud.  Hearings are messy.

Take Hillary, for example.  They kept grilling and investigating Benghazi and it turned up nothing, but it ultimately led to the discovery of the email server and all that other stuff that basically lost her the election.  So, he doesn't want his name drummed up in whatever bullshit would come from uncovering it?

[CF DolFan]

Could be. I just don't think so because I believe the Democrats would have released it. If Trump is guilty I believe most people would want him to pay the price. From what I'm seeing is that most of us support him when he makes good decisions and will call him out when he doesn't. That doesn't mean there isn't a group who will bend like the wind if Trump says so but I believe that cult is minimal.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Could be. I just don't think so because I believe the Democrats would have released it. If Trump is guilty I believe most people would want him to pay the price. From what I'm seeing is that most of us support him when he makes good decisions and will call him out when he doesn't. That doesn't mean there isn't a group who will bend like the wind if Trump says so but I believe that cult is minimal.

Bullshit.  Trump admitted to be a sexual predator in the Access Hollywood tape. 

[Dave Gray]

Could be. I just don't think so because I believe the Democrats would have released it.

I want to address this, because I hear it and it's a fundamental misunderstand of how government worked up until Trump took over and weaponized departments.

The DOJ is a separate government entity that is appointed by the president and approved by congress, but not run by the president.  It would be inappropriate for Joe Biden to be involved in whether to release information on a criminal case to the public, especially one in which he has a political opponent on the other side.  There has been a wall there, historically.  Obviously, Trump tore that wall down and put cronies in that position to carry out his political will.  Now, he's stepping on a rake that he himself laid down, because he specifically weaponized the department and now his followers are out for blood...and now it's his blood.

"The Democrats" don't just release information because that's not how any of this works.  The DOJ isn't a political arm of the Democratic party, just because there's a Democrat in the White House.  This is how Trump is breaking everything and creating an authoritarian governmnet.  That's why all of this is so bad.