The Epstein List

[Downunder Dolphan]

I've tried my best to stay out of this, but this stuff I just can't ignore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoC-cUmYUaU

The President of the USA shares a fake video of a political opponent being arrested and jailed (possibly a future opponent if he decides to break the twice elected rule, which opens up him being a future contestant), while spewing out a big steaming pile of bullshit that he was involved in a conspiracy during his elections (with zero proof of it).

This is deplorable, dangerous, racist, psychopathic behavior - at best. It's the exact same kind of crap that the worst Dictators around the world (including his good mate Putin) push out to the mushrooms who are dumb enough to believe it... right up until they realize all of their basic rights have been taken away. By that stage, it's way too late. Democracy by that stage is dead and buried.

[CF DolFan]

All of this well before 2005 exactly as I said.  Trump didn't give that quote in the good Ole 80s. That's my point.

I don't think the typical crowd he is around is from the Me Too era. The widely successful American Pie was released in 1999 and National Lampoon's Van Wilder in 2002 so the open sexual trend was still very much around.   The Me Too movement happened in 2017 and prior to that, Hollywood just accepted perverts like Harvey Weinstein and Trump.

[CF DolFan]

I have a copy of my great-grandmother's marriage license.  She got married in New Orleans in 1924 at the age of 16.  And this wasn't uncommon; teen girls have been getting married off to adult men for centuries.  So why is everyone getting so worked up about Jeffrey Epstein arranging sex with underage girls when historically it was quite common?  I mean, since you're happy to make excuses for sexual assault "based on historical norms," why not also make excuses for having sex with underage girls while you're at it?

Furthermore, to put this in the proper historical context:
Frank Sinatra has been dead for a quarter-century.
You voted for Donald Trump as president 9 months ago.

This entire line of rape apologia is disgusting.  The multiple women that Trump sexually assaulted absolutely did see something wrong with what he did.  And it's absurd for you to play this "fake me too" card when Trump is on tape BRAGGING about sexually assaulting women!

You should have been a lawyer because you love arguing silly things. Not sure who you "vote" for but I can assure you there has only been one person who has walked this earth without sin in their life. If you voted for Kamala you voted for a woman who slept her way to the top. Not sure how being a whore is better than being one who takes advantages of them but I'm sure you can justify to yourself why it is different. I'm not as hypocritical  as you and can admit I voted for an arsehole because many of his policies align. That's why politics are about. I have a Pastor I can turn to for Biblical advice. If it was about who has good character then Mike Pence or Mike Huckabee would be president and that will never happen in this country today.   

[CF DolFan]

I've tried my best to stay out of this, but this stuff I just can't ignore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoC-cUmYUaU

The President of the USA shares a fake video of a political opponent being arrested and jailed (possibly a future opponent if he decides to break the twice elected rule, which opens up him being a future contestant), while spewing out a big steaming pile of bullshit that he was involved in a conspiracy during his elections (with zero proof of it).

This is deplorable, dangerous, racist, psychopathic behavior - at best. It's the exact same kind of crap that the worst Dictators around the world (including his good mate Putin) push out to the mushrooms who are dumb enough to believe it... right up until they realize all of their basic rights have been taken away. By that stage, it's way too late. Democracy by that stage is dead and buried.

Just like when he said he would deport Elon ... he says and does stupid crap that will never happen but triggers the left. He doesn't have unchecked power regardless of what the liberal left wonts you to believe. Congress has all the real power.

[Spider-Dan]

Not sure who you "vote" for but I can assure you there has only been one person who has walked this earth without sin in their life. If you voted for Kamala you voted for a woman who slept her way to the top. Not sure how being a whore is better than being one who takes advantages of them but I'm sure you can justify to yourself why it is different.

If you think a supposed "whore who slept her way to the top" is no different than "an adult man who had sex with child victims of sex trafficking," then why are you in this thread acting like you give a shit about some Epstein List?

I'm not as hypocritical  as you and can admit I voted for an arsehole because many of his policies align. That's why politics are about. I have a Pastor I can turn to for Biblical advice. If it was about who has good character then Mike Pence or Mike Huckabee would be president and that will never happen in this country today.

So why are you and yours engaging in all this fake performative outrage about Epstein when you will happily look the other way on Trump's involvement with him?
You didn't vote for an angel-in-chief, right?  Trump's policies are what they are, regardless of what he did with Epstein.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Not sure who you "vote" for but I can assure you there has only been one person who has walked this earth without sin in their life.

True, there isn't a person who is without sin.  Both Adolph Hitler and Oskar Schindler have sinned.  Doesn't mean they are moral equals. 

[Dave Gray]

Trump is acting so friggin' weird about this that I'm starting to think that there's more to it involving him directly, simply on his behavior alone.

[Downunder Dolphan]

Just like when he said he would deport Elon ...

Now that his his good friend Rupert Murdoch's newspaper (New Your Journal) has backed up with an article saying Trump is all over the Epstein List after he's already threatened to sue Rupert for the previous story about the birthday note...

Will he also threaten to deport Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch? So much for the USA Constitution's First Amendment of (real) Freedom of Speech.

[CF DolFan]

If you think a supposed "whore who slept her way to the top" is no different than "an adult man who had sex with child victims of sex trafficking," then why are you in this thread acting like you give a shit about some Epstein List?
So why are you and yours engaging in all this fake performative outrage about Epstein when you will happily look the other way on Trump's involvement with him?
You didn't vote for an angel-in-chief, right?  Trump's policies are what they are, regardless of what he did with Epstein.

You assume he is "an adult man who had sex with child victims of sex trafficking," because you want it to be true. It's like a drug for you to see him fail. Hahaha

Like I said many times now ... the evidence I see is that Dems did not release that information when they had it and yet they attacked him every single way possible. It's become pretty obvious he is in the report but as of now no one has shown any evidence of wrongdoing. If they do then he needs to rot in jail. Not hard to understand. I want the guilty all to burn but I do realize not every single person who knew Epstein is a pedofile.

[CF DolFan]

True, there isn't a person who is without sin.  Both Adolph Hitler and Oskar Schindler have sinned.  Doesn't mean they are moral equals. 

Kind of a weird analogy when I was comparing known sins of our presidential candidates. To dumb it down .... no being a whore isn't worse or even equal to what Hitler did. If Trump was actually molesting kids it is pretty close in my opinion.

[CF DolFan]

Trump is acting so friggin' weird about this that I'm starting to think that there's more to it involving him directly, simply on his behavior alone.

I said that. He's been in some crazy situations for various reasons but I've never seen him desperate to try and move on from something.  Regardless of if he is guilty or is being forced to cover for others .. there is something going on.

[CF DolFan]

Now that his his good friend Rupert Murdoch's newspaper (New Your Journal) has backed up with an article saying Trump is all over the Epstein List after he's already threatened to sue Rupert for the previous story about the birthday note...

Will he also threaten to deport Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch? So much for the USA Constitution's First Amendment of (real) Freedom of Speech.

LOL ... him saying he will deport someone is basically him exercising his free speech. Most people with a functioning IQ knows he cannot just do that.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

LOL ... him saying he will deport someone is basically him exercising his free speech. Most people with a functioning IQ knows he cannot just do that.

Most people with a functioning IQ knows Trump has deported US citizens to countries that the person has never even visited even when there is a court order specifically forbidding their deportation.  If Trump calls Todd Lyons and tells him to deport Musk to South America, ICE agents will follow that order. 

Threats are not protected free speech. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Kind of a weird analogy when I was comparing known sins of our presidential candidates. To dumb it down .... no being a whore isn't worse or even equal to what Hitler did. If Trump was actually molesting kids it is pretty close in my opinion.

Okay, what Trump has done is way worse than anything Gary Hart or John Edwards ever did. 

[CF DolFan]

Most people with a functioning IQ knows Trump has deported US citizens to countries that the person has never even visited even when there is a court order specifically forbidding their deportation.  If Trump calls Todd Lyons and tells him to deport Musk to South America, ICE agents will follow that order. 

Threats are not protected free speech. 

I disagree. He is deporting "illegal aliens" per the law. No law gives him permission to randomly deport people.

Okay, what Trump has done is way worse than anything Gary Hart or John Edwards ever did. 

I actually liked John Edwards. Gary Hart was a goofball.