The Epstein List

[CF DolFan]

I'm kind of curious how liberals spin this on Trump.

Yesterday, a liberal Florida federal judge (appointed by Obama) on Wednesday declined to release additional grand jury documents from the criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, thus marking the first roadblock in the Justice Department’s efforts to quell the public backlash over the handling of the case.

It really seems like both sides are doing their best to cover these crimes up while trying to appeal to their base!

[Dave Gray]

Stop both-sidesing shit.

There's a completely normal reason not to just open up a full investigation into a pedo ring, without having evidence to charge people, so you can't just release a bunch of names.  That's fine.  I'm not sure if that's happening in every case, but there's a case to be made for privacy of people who happened to know Epstein but were involved in no criminal wrongdoing.

It's not a reasonable reason to campaign on releasing the files, fill every cabinet position with sycophant loyalists for the sole intention of releasing the files, while throwing red meat at your conspiracy-addled base, blaming your opposition of being a secret cabal of pedophiles.  Meanwhile, you're BFFs with the guy running the show and have credible sexual assault allegations related to the case.  Then, to appoint a head of the DOJ that answers directly to you inform you that your name is all over the files and then to use that to immediately kill the investigation and close the files.  ...then to lie about it.


Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker, open your eyes. 


I'm not saying Trump is a pedo.  But he certainly and definitely is now actively covering this up because his name is involved.  Republicans are a fucking joke.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I disagree. He is deporting "illegal aliens" per the law. No law gives him permission to randomly deport people.

It is not an agree/disagree opinion.  IT IS A FACT.  US Citizens and legal residents have been deported.  He doesn't have permission to deport them, but the law doesn't stop Trump.

[Spider-Dan]

Here's an interesting article on MAGA's obsession with pedophilia and exactly zero other sex crimes:

One of the most telling aspects of this MAGA obsession is the focus on the punishment of the “elites” who are behind it. At a basic level, the victims never really take center stage. And that is the heart of it. In the MAGA world, pedophilia isn’t a crime or abuse that needs to be stopped. It is more a legitimating tool which provides a license for cleansing acts of retributive violence and revenge. This is what’s at the end of the story in every far-right/MAGA conspiracy: a wave of eliminationist, cleansing violence led by someone like Trump in which the bad guys, the liberals, the Democrats, the globalist elites, etc etc are wiped out. And that’s why whether it’s Pizzagate, QAnon or the more outlandish versions of the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories, they always keep coming back to pedophilia. Because pedophilia summons a level of disgust, anger and revulsion that makes the perpetrators seem uniquely inhuman, less than human, people against whom total violence is acceptable and necessary. In other words, these conspiracy theories are systems of thought that provide sanction and legitimation for what you want to do to your enemies. They’re about the enemies. The role of pedophilia in these stories is just a means to an end, making what you want to do with your enemies okay.

This is obvious to most people who’ve observed these alternative worlds for any length of time. But it’s worth stepping back and noting how this dynamic plays out in the current news environment. It’s why MAGA can be really, really obsessed with vengeance against any of Epstein’s co-conspirators but basically couldn’t care less about the prospect of Trump raping or assaulting any other number of women or even an 18 year old. Who cares? None of that matters. Pedophilia — or what’s technically called ephebophilia, a sexual attraction to people in their mid to late teens — isn’t something they really care about in itself. They’re obsessed about it as a legitimator of a certain level of hatred and mass violence.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Here's an interesting article on MAGA's obsession with pedophilia and exactly zero other sex crimes:

One of the most telling aspects of this MAGA obsession is the focus on the punishment of the “elites” who are behind it. At a basic level, the victims never really take center stage. And that is the heart of it. In the MAGA world, pedophilia isn’t a crime or abuse that needs to be stopped. It is more a legitimating tool which provides a license for cleansing acts of retributive violence and revenge. This is what’s at the end of the story in every far-right/MAGA conspiracy: a wave of eliminationist, cleansing violence led by someone like Trump in which the bad guys, the liberals, the Democrats, the globalist elites, etc etc are wiped out. And that’s why whether it’s Pizzagate, QAnon or the more outlandish versions of the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories, they always keep coming back to pedophilia. Because pedophilia summons a level of disgust, anger and revulsion that makes the perpetrators seem uniquely inhuman, less than human, people against whom total violence is acceptable and necessary. In other words, these conspiracy theories are systems of thought that provide sanction and legitimation for what you want to do to your enemies. They’re about the enemies. The role of pedophilia in these stories is just a means to an end, making what you want to do with your enemies okay.

This is obvious to most people who’ve observed these alternative worlds for any length of time. But it’s worth stepping back and noting how this dynamic plays out in the current news environment. It’s why MAGA can be really, really obsessed with vengeance against any of Epstein’s co-conspirators but basically couldn’t care less about the prospect of Trump raping or assaulting any other number of women or even an 18 year old. Who cares? None of that matters. Pedophilia — or what’s technically called ephebophilia, a sexual attraction to people in their mid to late teens — isn’t something they really care about in itself. They’re obsessed about it as a legitimator of a certain level of hatred and mass violence.

I am not sure if that is completely correct.  Most people have a greater problem with crimes against children than crimes against adults. 

[Spider-Dan]

The point is that the actual crime is tangential.

The QAnon-adjacent MAGA types want firing squads for the guy who allegedly paid a 17-year-old to have sex, but when it comes to the guy who allegedly assaulted and raped an 18-year-old, well, girls are just making up stories in the #metoo era and besides, Frank Sinatra used to talk about slapping a woman.

They don't care about the victims, or really even about the crimes.  Just like "illegal" immigration, the entire exercise is just an excuse for them to punish their enemies.  Trump promised them that they were going to get to lock up a cabal of elite Democrats who were trafficking kids, and they want the scalps they were promised.

[CF DolFan]

Hahahah ... you people are so one sided it's comical.

Supposedly Trump is going to be dropping names and you guessed it, they are Democrats. I really hope he does because if he does start outing people then they will do the same. Hopefully the dominoes are falling into place although I never get my hopes up too high.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hahahah ... you people are so one sided it's comical.

Supposedly Trump is going to be dropping names and you guessed it, they are Democrats. I really hope he does because if he does start outing people then they will do the same. Hopefully the dominoes are falling into place although I never get my hopes up too high.

My prediction is that when Bondi finally releases the files, all the MAGA faithful will have their names redacted and anyone Trump has a grudge against will be visible. 

[Spider-Dan]

Trump's former personal lawyer is meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell now, probably so she can get in front of a mic and say "OOPS ALL DEMOCRATS" in exchange for a pardon.

[Downunder Dolphan]

It's now been leaked by the Democrats that this is the alleged birthday card from Trump to Epstein mentioned by The Wall Street Journal.

[Dave Gray]

Trump says it's a fake.

Who do you believe?

[Sunstroke]

If Trump said that water was wet, I'd have to get two corroborating experts in fluid dynamics to back it up before I bought a single word.

I write poetry...occasionally, and not necessarily very good. One of the few that I actually come back to over the years, I wrote in 1987, right after I got out of the military. I was watching TV, and there was a news report about a legal conflict going on between a hotel owner and a labor union. The labor union was talking about how the hotel is trying to avoid paying them for the work. The hotel owner was interviewed. and he started talking about how the union was trying to take advantage of the hotel, and how they didn't "really" do the work, and how they just want his money.

That hotel owner was named Donald J. Trump. The short poem he inspired that day back in '87 was titled "Flycatcher."

"I catch more lies
than a spider catches flies
Snaring each in a web of it's own making
Captured mid flight
by a posture or a slight
Foul tidbits for the taking"

[Downunder Dolphan]

Trump says it's a fake.

Who do you believe?

If it is a fake, they've done a pretty good job with the signature. A few examples of his past letters have surfaced, and they look the same - check out the last examples in this story.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-09/donald-trumps-drawings-and-letters-before-jeffrey-epstein/105753198

[Dave Gray]

If it is a fake, they've done a pretty good job with the signature.

That was a joke.  It's obviously, OBVIOUSLY not a fake.

It's so deeply addled in conspiracy that someone would go back and plant a fake letter 22 years ago and publish it in a book with a bunch of other real letters.

But also, in addition to the fire, it's a bunch of smoke.  Donald Trump was the guy's close friend, a known pervert, and a known sexual assaulter -- plus all of his statements.  He knew.  Obviously.



But to see these Republican lawmakers all of a sudden clam up and say it's not him.  They think their voters are fucking idiots.  And they're right.  It's really amazing that the people who were tearing down everything to go after Epstein thought it was a good idea to elect his rapist best-friend.  And now the guy is covering and they're just OK with it.  Ridiculous.