Brady Quinn over Ted Ginn plus Cam Cameron's incompetence

[Rick]

To keep referring to him as a "kick returner" pretty much means you have blinders on in my opinion. I wasn't thrilled either, but don't you see that he had the most consistent hands and caught virtually everything catchable?

  That is great that Teddy has good hands, but a #1 receiver must also be able to run good crisp routes, BLOCK DOWN FIELD for other ball carriers and receivers, be able to seperate from defenders, STAY HEALTHY, draw double coverage to open up other options for your offense etc.   With Ted Ginn, I am unsure he will be able to handle the #1 wr job for the Miami Dolphins.  His size and ability are both questionable as a #1 wideout.  Ginn is a very good KR/PR with great speed, who might turn out to be a very good #2 or slot receiver in the NFL.  He definetly was not worth a top 10 pick with Brady Quinn falling into our laps at # 9.  Quinn will be a very solid QB in the NFL.

[Rick]

 What are you people basing this on?  Both Ginn and Beck have played more meaningful NFL snaps than Brady Quinn has.  How can you say Brady Quinn is the better pick when you have nothing to base that on?  You have NO arguement, none whatsoever.  Until Brady Quinn sees more meaningful playing time in the regular season, there is no basis for comparison between Brady Quinn vs. Ted Ginn Jr.  One game, 3 completions, 8 attempts, 37.5% Completion Percentage, 56.8% QBR.  This is supposed to tell me that Quinn was the better pick?  I can't tell anything from those stats!

  For the record, I watched that game and the Browns dropped 2 of those passes with one of those a sure touchdown.  So Quinn should have been 5 of 8 with a touchdown.  Not bad for a rookie backup cold off the bench. 

[simeon]

  For the record, I watched that game and the Browns dropped 2 of those passes with one of those a sure touchdown.  So Quinn should have been 5 of 8 with a touchdown.  Not bad for a rookie backup cold off the bench. 

I didn't know the NFL kept stats on would have,could have or should have.
Ginn would have,could have and should have ran back to kick offs for td's, if it wasnt for penalties.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

For those who wanted Cam to stay after this monstrosity of a season, is a guy who gets called out for stuff like below a guy you would want leading your team?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7644170

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2008/01/stuff-of-novellas-and-soap-operas.html

[DolFan619]

Quinn will be a very solid QB in the NFL.

  Again....  based on what?

For the record, I watched that game and the Browns dropped 2 of those passes with one of those a sure touchdown.  So Quinn should have been 5 of 8 with a touchdown.  Not bad for a rookie backup cold off the bench. 

  Not bad, but it's certainly not that impressive.  Eight whole passes in garbage time isn't enough to form a conclusion on Brady Quinn one way or the other.  Nice try, though.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone already but I look at it by the possibilities that may come out of a quarterback.  I would take a QB that throws for 40 tds a year over a reciever who catches 10.  Let's say we took Quinn and he didn't pan out, it won't be half as nasty if he turns out to be the next Marino.

I'll admit that I've skimmed through the previous posts here but I've read enough "I have not seen anything out of Quinn to convince me".  I'll just say the same about Ginn and he's had way more play time. 

I don't think a single one of us here would be confident enough to begin a season with a washed up Jay Fiedler twin, one hit away from shitting out of his belly button.  Cam Cam, however, an "offensive genius", did feel that way.  NOW, instead of having a possible college star start this year with Chad Henne waiting in case it doesn't work out, many of our eggs are put into one basket.  Please, don't even mention McCown.  Also, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of the other player because of my belief that he does not play football and he's really a Soviet spy here to turn us red.  Mormon my ASS!!!

Bottom line.  If QB's didn't have such a monstrous impact on teams then GM's wouldn't RISK high draft picks to acquire them.  They are never a sure thing.  However, the benefit of one panning out nicely is priceless. 

[fyo]

Ginn is a very good KR/PR with great speed, who might turn out to be a very good #2 or slot receiver in the NFL.

Do you guys even watch games? And by "you guys" I mean everyone who thinks he might be a good slot receiver.

Slot receivers in the NFL very rarely run deep routes. They are, however, required to BLOCK a lot. Even when they're not blocking, their routes often go through a lot of traffic, so you'll typically find more "compact" players at slot than at WR. Wes Welker is a prime example. Reggie Bush *would* be a prime example, if the Saints would only admit that he's not a good fit at RB in the NFL. It's not just about size, it's about being tough, intelligent (huge number of reads compared to wideouts) and precise.

The very things you criticize Ginn for not having are the very things that a slot receiver needs to excel in the NFL. Pegging him as a  perennial #2 receiver makes for a much better argument, although I think it's too early to tell. A #2 receiver can be more 1-dimensional, relying solely on speed to stretch the field.

[Phishfan]

  Let's say we took Quinn and he didn't pan out, it won't be half as nasty if he turns out to be the next Marino.

Am I the only one this doesn't make sense to?

  NOW, instead of having a possible college star start this year with Chad Henne waiting in case it doesn't work out, many of our eggs are put into one basket. 

Do you honestly believe we would have drafted Henne had we taken Quinn last year? We will never know, but I seriously doubt it. So our eggs would have still been in one basket, Brady Quinn and I couldn't stand that. If we had taken Quinn we probably would have still taken the old man last year because we had to have a veteran QB. We would probably still be stuck with Lemon and Beck wouldn't be here either. Our QB roster would likely be Quinn, Lemon, and some unknown goof. I don't feel confident with that at all.

[Brian Fein]

A) why are we still talking about this?

B) Tommy, you've had blinders on regarding Cameron since day-friggin-one

C) Get back to me in 5 years when Brady Quinn = Gino Toretta and Ted Ginn is a legitimate deep threat

Brady Quinn is a career backup in the NFL.  I can't believe over a year later you're still harping about how you would have drafted Quinn.

[MaineDolFan]

^Coming from a guy still harping on Trent Green!  Let it go, man. 

[Defense54]

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone already but I look at it by the possibilities that may come out of a quarterback.  I would take a QB that throws for 40 tds a year over a reciever who catches 10.  Let's say we took Quinn and he didn't pan out, it won't be half as nasty if he turns out to be the next Marino.

I'll admit that I've skimmed through the previous posts here but I've read enough "I have not seen anything out of Quinn to convince me".  I'll just say the same about Ginn and he's had way more play time. 

I don't think a single one of us here would be confident enough to begin a season with a washed up Jay Fiedler twin, one hit away from shitting out of his belly button.  Cam Cam, however, an "offensive genius", did feel that way.  NOW, instead of having a possible college star start this year with Chad Henne waiting in case it doesn't work out, many of our eggs are put into one basket.   Please, don't even mention McCown.  Also, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of the other player because of my belief that he does not play football and he's really a Soviet spy here to turn us red.  Mormon my ASS!!!

Bottom line.  If QB's didn't have such a monstrous impact on teams then GM's wouldn't RISK high draft picks to acquire them.  They are never a sure thing.  However, the benefit of one panning out nicely is priceless. 

Never thought I'd say it........but I side with Guru 100%.  Like I've said many times before it doesn't matter how Quinn turns out. Nobody had the benefit of hindsight like we do now. AT that time and place in time The ONLY pick for the Miami Dolphins was Brady Quinn. And some first timer like Cam making such a stretch was just unforgivable.  can you imagine how much better the Miami Dolphins would be with Quinn and Henne battling it out? Plenty of great receivers availble last year in the 2nd round I'm sure. I'd mention some names but I don't want to get this thread locked.............

[Phishfan]

.  can you imagine how much better the Miami Dolphins would be with Quinn and Henne battling it out?

What would make anyone, much less two people think Miami would have drafted a "franchise QB" in round one last year and then another QB in round 2 this year? You complain about bad drafting decisions, but doesn't this sound like one to anyone else? Hell, let's just pick a QB in every round until we get one who can be a starter and then we will worry about the rest of the team.

[Defense54]

What would make anyone, much less two people think Miami would have drafted a "franchise QB" in round one last year and then another QB in round 2 this year? You complain about bad drafting decisions, but doesn't this sound like one to anyone else? Hell, let's just pick a QB in every round until we get one who can be a starter and then we will worry about the rest of the team.

NO QB could have Succeeded in last years atmosphere. But your right........Parcells might have not have picked a QB at all if we had Quinn on the rooster as opposed to Beck. Maybe much more of a project in the 4th rounds or later.

[DolFan619]

Never thought I'd say it........but I side with Guru 100%.  Like I've said many times before it doesn't matter how Quinn turns out. Nobody had the benefit of hindsight like we do now. AT that time and place in time The ONLY pick for the Miami Dolphins was Brady Quinn. And some first timer like Cam making such a stretch was just unforgivable.  can you imagine how much better the Miami Dolphins would be with Quinn and Henne battling it out? Plenty of great receivers availble last year in the 2nd round I'm sure. I'd mention some names but I don't want to get this thread locked.............

  WRONG.  Brady Quinn was not the ONLY pick the Dolphins could've used at that time.  We could've drafted Patrick Willis, there was a need for another young MLB.  We could've drafted Amobi Okoye, Keith Traylor was entering his 17th season at the time.  We could've drafted Joe Staley.  We needed offensive line help.  Brady Quinn was not the ONLY pick for the Miami Dolphins at the time.  Brady just happened to be the "sexy" pick.

[Dphins4me]

In addition to my questions about Ginn as a player, I more question the Ginn pick as a position.  To draft a kick returner, when you have so many pressing core needs, seems strange.  It's the same way I felt when we drafted Fletcher some years back.  It wasn't so much that I had a problem with Flethcher, as with drafting a corner, when we had Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, and no offense.

  One.  Ginn is not a Kick Returner.  He is not Devin Hester.  Ginn is a Wr who happens to excel at returning kicks.   You guys that keep referring to him as a KR must not have noticed.  He is playing Wr. & catching the football.

Two.  Miami got abused in the '00 season by not having a solid No. 3 Corner.