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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2008, 05:30:47 pm »

First off Tommy- My original post was in sarcasm. I even spelled it out  for people that don't understand what sarcasm is!

Secondly- He's on the practice squad, not the active roster. Being on the practice squad doesn't make him a sure fire NFL player. In fact, you can look at it as no other team in the NFL felt he was better than the RB's on their rosters either, or they would've grabbed him on waivers!

Only reason he's there is because there' s a logjam at running back now and they have other positions that needed addressing.  I'd be willing to bet that if Ricky or Ronnie go down, he'll be the first to get promoted. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2008, 05:37:27 pm »

^^^ You are missing my point in my original post.

After the week two loss, you said something like if Sparano didn't shape up, you'd treat him the same way you did Cameron last year, and start calling for his job. I was actually surprised to see this level of "fairness" from you (although I think its ridiculous to start calling for a rookie coach's job so early).

Anyway, in previous years, if a drafted player was cut, even if he was a 7th round pick, you'd criticize the drafting of that player. So why didn't you this time? The other RB they drafted never even made the active roster. So they took two RB's and both of them are on the practice squad. Yet they didn't address the secondary- seems like one of those picks could've been spent on a CB.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2008, 05:39:11 pm »

The other RB they drafted never even made the active roster. So they took two RB's and both of them are on the practice squad. Yet they didn't address the secondary- seems like one of those picks could've been spent on a CB.

You're right, and if the secondary does falter consistently in games like it did against Arizona, I will call the Trifecta on it. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2008, 11:49:56 pm »

So they took two RB's and both of them are on the practice squad. Yet they didn't address the secondary- seems like one of those picks could've been spent on a CB.
I believe I questioned the drafting of two Rbs while ignoring the defensive backfield.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2008, 12:18:36 am »

I believe I questioned the drafting of two Rbs while ignoring the defensive backfield.

Yes you did. I also believe several other members here did as well. Now granted, in hindsight one can say that they had no idea how Ronnie's rehab was coming along and no one knew that Parcells would develop a fondness for Pothead.

I still believe my point is valid though that neither of the two RB's they drafted arevon the roster right now and no other team has thought enough of them to sign them off the Fin's practice squad. That means that most teams feel the 3 or 4 RB's they have are better options.
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2008, 03:41:54 am »

I find it oddly comforting that you guys are seriously discussing if Parcells/Ireland spent their SIXTH ROUND draft picks as wisely as possible.

At the same time, I find it disturbing that you guys seriously think a SIXTH ROUND pick could have improved our secondary. For reference, the 6 DBs taken in the 6th round have a combined 3 solo tackles so far this season.

Of the 6, one never made a roster and none of the others are over 6 feet.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2008, 10:25:11 am »

I find it oddly comforting that you guys are seriously discussing if Parcells/Ireland spent their SIXTH ROUND draft picks as wisely as possible.

At the same time, I find it disturbing that you guys seriously think a SIXTH ROUND pick could have improved our secondary. For reference, the 6 DBs taken in the 6th round have a combined 3 solo tackles so far this season.

Of the 6, one never made a roster and none of the others are over 6 feet.

Again, I used the word sarcasm in my post. As I previously mentioned, if a guy picked in the 7th round 3 years ago got cut during pre-season, some people would be quick to post "There's another wasted Saban draft pick- lets see, that leaves how many of his picks still around".
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2008, 10:58:12 am »

I find it oddly comforting that you guys are seriously discussing if Parcells/Ireland spent their SIXTH ROUND draft picks as wisely as possible.

At the same time, I find it disturbing that you guys seriously think a SIXTH ROUND pick could have improved our secondary. For reference, the 6 DBs taken in the 6th round have a combined 3 solo tackles so far this season.

Of the 6, one never made a roster and none of the others are over 6 feet.

  Great post FYO...Miami had MANY needs that they addressed in this years draft...I am sure that the secondary and WR positions will be a priority in this upcoming draft for the new regime....Personally, I think Mr. Parcells/Mr. Ireland and Coach Sparano did an OUTSTANDING job with their first draft class in Miami!!!
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2008, 01:50:35 pm »

How many tight ends do we need ?

Since we have no recievers..........I'll take as many as we can get!  At 6'8" I'm thinking they are looking to go over the Top to this guy. I'm all for it.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2008, 02:35:55 pm »

Yes you did. I also believe several other members here did as well.

Lil_B and I got a little testy about that on the show right after the draft...it still boggles my mind a little that zero DBs were drafted.

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2008, 02:55:27 pm »

Lil_B and I got a little testy about that on the show right after the draft...it still boggles my mind a little that zero DBs were drafted.



I think that Parcells wanted to strengthen the d-line, and the running game this year...the power positions. Next year, I'd bet that we'll see several d-backs, and receivers. Looking at it that way makes sense of drafting the way they did.
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2008, 03:27:05 pm »

I think that Parcells wanted to strengthen the d-line, and the running game this year...the power positions. Next year, I'd bet that we'll see several d-backs, and receivers. Looking at it that way makes sense of drafting the way they did.

QFT.  Doctor D thinks the same way as well.  We'll be looking at quality DB's and WR's. 
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2008, 05:14:08 pm »

I'm inclined to agree,except your secondary sucked last year with a good pass rush....I think the Trifecta thought the guy's we had were better than they really are...They were hoping the System would hide the deficiencies in the secondary...


Let's see...Our secondary consisted of 2 guy's that missed most of the year with injures Renaldo Hill,and Yeremiah Bell,I'm Constantly Nicked up Andre Goodman,I'm always hurt Travis Daniels...I'm not smart enough to get on the field Jason Allen....The over achieving Micheal Lehan,Will Allen.Then he brought in Keith Davis,(Who's gone now),and Chris "I can't do Didly "Crocker....Nate Jones?

I still think, regardless of the plans, it was a bad move not to take at least one secondary guy....
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2008, 06:08:01 pm »

I still think, regardless of the plans, it was a bad move not to take at least one secondary guy....

I'm curious, where would you have taken one?

Our first 4 picks were MONSTER picks in my book. All great picks. A first, two second round picks and a third (Langford).

I've already detailed the dreariness of the sixth round DBs, so let's say you would have taken our fourth rounder (Shawn Murphy) instead (we didn't have a fifth):

EIGHT defensive backs were drafted in the fourth round, after we picked Murphy. Of these eight, TWO have as much as a single assist. Jonathan Wilhite, who plays for a team with a pretty bad secondary (the Pats), has a total of zero starts and two tackles (both solo). Dwight Lowery, who plays for the Jets, is the only player of the eight who looks like he might belong in the NFL. Lowery actually won a starting spot.

I think the problem is that cornerbacks and safeties are valued so greatly in today's NFL that there just isn't much left come the fourth round. This year, SIX defensive backs went in the first round, SIX in the second and SEVEN in the third. Plus the first two picks of the fourth were defensive backs (we picked eleventh). That's TWENTY ONE defensive backs that went off the board before we got there with out fourth.

Quickly looking that the positions drafted, I wasn't able to find a single position taken more often in the first three rounds (plus first 10 of fourth) than defensive back. And that's despite combining offensive and defensive linemen, respectively (since DBs cover both safeties and corners).

Seriously, if you want to grab a player for your secondary in the draft, you'd better be willing to spend a first-day pick on it.

For the hell of it, I decided to check where some top cornerbacks were drafted. Not wanting to bias anything by coming up with a list by myself, I googled for one.

http://www.football.com/top10/top_10_cornerbacks_in_the_league.html

1 Champ Bailey – Denver Broncos
2 Chris McAlister – Baltimore Ravens
3 Asante Samuel – New England Patriots
4 DeAngelo Hall – Atlanta Falcons
5 Nate Clements – San Francisco 49ers
6 Rashean Mathis – Jacksonville
7 Ronde Barber - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
8 Antoine Winfield -- Minnesota
9 Lito Shepard – Philadelphia Eagles
10 Charles Woodson – Green Bay Packers

Considering the number of DBs taken in every round of the draft, you'd expect a pretty good spread. Look at starting quarterbacks in the NFL. No position is more valued or more coveted, yet it's obviously a hard position to draft, because there are plenty of undrafted and lowly drafted starting quarterbacks out there (Romo and Brady, just to name one of each, although I submit that Brady technically isn't a starter right now).


Bailey: 7th overall
McAlister: 10th overall
Hall: 8th overall
Samuel: 120th overall (4th round)
Clements: 21st overall
Mathis: 39th overall (2nd round)
Barber: 66th overall (3rd round)
Winfield: 23rd overall
Sheppard: 26th overall
Woodson: 4th overall

That tells me that great cornerbacks are either pretty easy to identify or the shear number of them picked in the first rounds simply vacuums the market of any real talent.

Corner isn't like running back or lineman. You don't just find someone on day 2. You have to be willing to spend a good pick to get a good player.

Sure there are SOME good players taken later, there always will be, but considering the shear number of players taken at that position, the number of misses outside the first few rounds must be HUGE.
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2008, 06:59:46 pm »

What's that have to do with price of hamburger in china? You're being far too un realistic...You honestly think every player drafted should be the top 10 at each postition...That's what you're argueing..Hindsight is 20/20 ....Easy to say who should we've taken now....Err nice your list is from August 15 2007....

Their Plan was flawed to begin with,even if they were drafting to fullfill their needs on the O line and D line...(which I'm not argueing is a bad thing,We needed it) It's still Flawed...Did we really Think that our 6th round pick was going to be our starting right Guard? no we got lucky it worked for a week..till he got hurt....

I also wanted a Linebacker....We were in a fight with JT,and could have used another LB/DE..Zach was gone....(we did the Fasano Adeyle trade in between day 1 and day 2).....(I'm still not sold on Torbor...he's a Special teamer IMO)

As I stated before...Look at the guy's we had on the roster at the time...A flyer pick on a corner,a saftey..The majority of our Defensive backs are 26-30 to years old...Not alot of youth there.....Wasn't the worse move....Draft a Special teams Maven with upside to play nickel Corner....Yerimiah Bell was a 6th rounder...Lehan was a 5th rounder....Renaldo Hill 7th rounder AZ cardinals...They don't need to be first round picks to get on the field....
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