Ring of Dishonor nomination

[Phishfan]

Yes, actually, it works fine if you read it and understand what I am saying versus seeing "Dan Marino" tensing up and assuming what I am saying.  You're splitting hairs just to split them.

My entire point, which seems to be missed a little:

1 - You wouldn't consider Dan Marino for this ring based solely on not producing one SB win although he had a lot of time to do just that.  And, yes, winning a Super Bowl is the reason why every team plays.  If you want individual accomplishments play golf or tennis.  What good did Marino's accomplishments due for his linemen?  The safeties?  His running backs?  No title.  That is still, however not my point...
2 - Why would you put a coach in that only coached one year and, like Marino, isn't solely responsible for the wins and losses a team achieves.

Jumping to conclusions aren't you? I'm not splitting hairs just to split hairs. I am completely disagreeing with your comparison. Cam Cameron isn't nominated for not winning the Super Bowl. The fact that Dan & Cameron neither won one is the only comparison you can make and that is no where near why people suggest Cam (notice I feel Saban should be it myself). Cam only coached a year for a reason. Dan played several years for a reason. Your comparison is off the charts inaccurate.

[JVides]

^^^Phish, Cameron doesn't have the body of work to deserve the dishonor, though.  He didn't cripple the franchise.  He was just a guy who coached during the team's worst year, a year during which the team experienced a bunch of very meaningful injuries that, I'm sure, resulted in more losses.

If you want to nominate Wannstedt and Spielman for 6 solid bad drafts, I'm game.  If you want to nominate Saban for 2 more bad drafts plus a snake-like exit, I might be interested.  But nominating Cameron for one year of incredible misfortune, during which he tried like hell to win, and after which he remained classy in his remarks regarding his time here, is like wanting to nominate Marino for 17 years of futility.  It's ludicrous.  THAT, I think, is Maine's point.  He's not comparing Cameron to Marino; he's comparing the insanity of nominating one to the other.  I agree; Cameron shouldn't sniff the ring, because his involvement here was not catastrophic to the team the way a blown first rounder (Yatil Green, Sammie Smith, etc...) was, or a terrible D-Coordinator (Olivadotti) was.

[Brian Fein]

Its only natural to consider the guy who was the coach during the worst season in franchise history.  And, oh by the way, that season is sandwiched between a 9-7 season and an 11-5 season.  Looking at that alone, you could make a case for Cameron's ineptitude.

[Phishfan]

^^^Phish, Cameron doesn't have the body of work to deserve the dishonor, though.  He didn't cripple the franchise.  He was just a guy who coached during the team's worst year, a year during which the team experienced a bunch of very meaningful injuries that, I'm sure, resulted in more losses.

Do people just like arguing with me, barely read my posts, or am I that difficult to understand? This is the third time I said I think Saban should be the entry. I'm saying in my discussion with Maine that comparing Cameron to Marino as far as their standing with this team is way off in left feild.

[JVides]

^^^Sorry, I was arguing two things at once:  one on the merits of the comparison and second on the Cameron "induction".  You were directly involved in one argument and tangentially involved in the other, so I addressed it to you.  My error.  On Saban, I'd say emotion drives that one more than damage to the franchise.  Again, if it were me, it'd be Wannstedt, not only for 6 years of terrible drafting, but also after considering that he had a hand in destroying the Chicago Bears franchise, too.

Brian, I think we know that the 9-7 year was a true mark of where the Dolphins were/are as a team.  I think I know that 1-15 was helped very much by injuries to Ronnie Brown, Trent Green, and half our secondary.  And I think we're all seeing that 11-5 was done with smoke and mirrors.  Cameron deserves ring of dishonor about as much as Jimmy Johnson did after his first season with the Cowboys.  The main difference between the two cases is one guy got the chance to try again the following year, and the other did not.

[Dave Gray]

Good post, JVides.  I pretty much agree.

Cameron was bad, results-wise, but in terms of long-term damage, what did he really hurt?  He was a care-taker for 1 year, dealing with a mess that was given to him.  He wasn't even in he franchise when those decisions were made.  I refuse to believe that a coach alone is responsible for a 1 win season.

[Sunstroke]

Cameron has no place in the ring of dishonor. He's obviously an outstanding offensive coordinator, based on his work with the Chargers and now the Ravens (who currently have the #2 offense in the NFL). He just didn't have the demeanor to be the head coach of a team that, talent and age considered, needed to be at brick one of a total rebuild job. He "particularly" didn't have the type of HC character to crack the whip and enforce the discipline. The incident where he stood by and watched the players fighting on the team plane after one of the losses clearly demonstrated that.

[dolphins4life]

Its only natural to consider the guy who was the coach during the worst season in franchise history.  And, oh by the way, that season is sandwiched between a 9-7 season and an 11-5 season.  Looking at that alone, you could make a case for Cameron's ineptitude.

Actually the dolphins were 6-10 the year before the 1-15 season

[jtex316]

Jason Taylor should be in the RoD

For as many inflated stats as he puts up, the team blows goats year in and year out. He is a bum loser pretty boy whose defense crumbled time and time again at every important moment in each season.

[ethurst22]

Wannstedt should be in the Hall of Shame.

Wanny is why this franchise is trying to climb out of the Dark Ages.

He was given a championship defense, an adequate offense and he froze.

His draft day decisions are horrendous. Eddie Moore IS the biggest draft bust in Dolphins history.

When Nick Saban got to Miami, you have to remember that he didn't have much to work from. Saban drafted Jason Allen who I think is a late bloomer and Ronnie Brown.

Cam Cameron was just a caretaker. Should not have been hired after all BUT Cam has shown so far that he's the only coach that knows how to use Ronnie Brown effectively out of a conventional offense.

If anyone deserves to walk the TDMMC plank, it's Dave Wannstedt.

[Phishfan]

BUT Cam has shown so far that he's the only coach that knows how to use Ronnie Brown effectively out of a conventional offense.

Conventional offense is another way of saying unimaginative. Innovation is the key to success.

[Kid Dynamite]

Is there any question about this?  JIMMY JOHNSON.

This is the gentleman who destroyed our offense, made our running game worse, brought in a ton of negativity and in fighting within the team and brought in his successor Wanny.

This jerk also walked on to our team and delivered thinly veiled attacks on Don Shula for no reason. His ego would not let him live in  peace with Marino.

There is no question that Jimmy "the snake" Johnson deserves to be the president of the hall of shame.

[Frimp]

Tight end Eric Green. That is all.

[DZA]

Well if you really want to put anyone  in the Ring of Dishonor you can call it between J.J. and Wanny. 

While i do want to See Cam Camoron in there now that i look at it, its most due to anger and the way he handled the franchise.  You cant blame many fans for wanting  Cam in.  He seriously  coached that 2007 fin team in to shit 0-16 ( 1-15  Baltimore  win was a fluke).  Even Norv Turner could have coached Maimi better than that.  He had no control. Nobody respected him.

With all that being said, the demise of the Fins started when JJ came and left the franchise in Wanny hands.  JJ did not draft so great either, Wanny added more B.S..   Someone said JJ destroyed  Miami's Defense. Ummm i can give JJ a lil credit here cause Miami defense was DAMN GOOD under JJ.
You had pro-bowlers  year to year.   JJ failed to do anything on the Offensive side . With Wanny you all know that same old story.  Im still pissed about the whole A.J. Feely deal.       

Nick Saban just used Miami to get his Money. He is not fit for the NFL. He fucked Maimi when things got tough.

Cam Camoron just inherited years of mess.  But i still dont beleive he did the best from the tools he was given.  Come on he had Ronnie Brown returning kicks off  WTF

So out of these 4 individuals who from time to time we bash constantly .   My Vote goes  to Jimmy Johnson