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Pappy13
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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2011, 03:45:56 pm »

If the phone at the end is not the original phone, the mark is lying, and is therefore a plant.
If the phone taking the video is not the original phone, the mark is lying, and is therefore a plant.
Agreed. Neither person is a plant. The phone at the end is the original and the video (at least the one I saw) was taken by the phone that was involved in a trick that P&T performed. None of this is disputed by me in anything I have written.

The premise of the show "Fool Us" is that a magician is performing a trick for P&T, who have to try to figure out how it was done in one viewing.  In such a scenario, P&T are the marks.You said that they are knowingly cooperating with the performing magician (but lying about it):
If what you say is true, that would make P&T (i.e. the marks) plants.
P&T are magicians. Do you dispute this? Magicians lie about the tricks they perform. In my scenario, P&T are performing a trick. The trick being getting the audience (both the audience where the show is taped and the viewing audience) to believe that the show is about fooling P&T when in fact they are "in" on the tricks, know how they are done and only pretend not to know. This makes the tricks seem more impressive as they've been able to fool the great P&T. The magicians performing the tricks on stage are merely props in that trick, but they themself are in fact also performing a trick. It's a trick within a trick if you will, much like Shakespeare's play within a play. P&T are magicians, not plants.

A mark is someone who is unknowingly taken by someone else in some kind of scam, not someone who is cooperating with a magic trick, that would be a plant.

And now I'm done with this Spider as we have gone plenty far enough off topic as usual.
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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2011, 03:57:26 pm »

The premise of the show is that P&T are looking for someone with an act good enough to stump them.  If they aren't actually being stumped, what's the point?  It's no different than if the entire audience of that show were all plants.  The pick-an-envelope trick wouldn't even qualify as magic; the whole show would be nothing more than a poorly-written play.
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« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2011, 09:33:21 am »

Slightly OT, but I was just amazed at seeing the following video... a short conference talk by Teller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5x14AwElOk
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